[nvda] Re: Proposed NVDA keyboard change
- From: "John Greer" <jpgreer17@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 02:51:33 -0500
cant turning on sticky keys in windows do the same thing?
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From: "Talksina" <talksina@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 2:48 AM
Subject: [nvda] Re: Proposed NVDA keyboard change
hi, you said:
when you normally press the key with out NVDA), if you press it and let
go, with out pressing another key (to complete the command), the key will
go through to the application.
yes, but, what about if the user has problems in hands, too?
we have not just to think, one person is blind, and can easily and
normally perform all body movements. Unfortunately there are many cases of
brain cancers and infections, or simply because they are old, or some sort
of diabetes, and so on...which make the person go blind and have also
movement problems, but with the screen reader's help they can start
working again.
So, in this way (pressing the key and letting it go) without pressing
another key for command, becomes very complicated for this kind of
disabilities
I suggest, rather, to have the key pressed twice quickly, to perform its
normal function. And it can be toggled.
that is, in the "user interface" options you could have a checkbox "sticky
NVDA modifier key"
It could work like that:
if "sticky NVDA modifier key" is on, pressing the Insert or CapsLock or
whatever it is just once, it produces a sort of quick scale sound (I mean,
for example, the 3 music notes c, e, g, played by the PC speaker)
and it considers the key stuck, so, next key/keys pressed within 10-15
seconds, works as a command key, and the sticky modifier involves other
keys too, for example if you have, ctrl + modifier + s, pressing the
modifier it beeps as explained before, pressing the control it plays a
single short beep, then pressing the third letter it performs the command,
and when finished the command, it performs it and the modifier key comes
back to normal non-sticky position.
and, if you notice you pressed the sticky key by mistake, you re-press it
and it produces the reverse sound (notes g, e, c).
and, always with sticky modifier key on, if you press the modifier key
twice rapidly, it deactivates and serves as the usual Windows
functionality
for example, assuming the modifier is caps lock, with sticky modifier key
on, to toggle capital letters on and off, you must press it twice: 2 hits
to make it on, and 2 to make it off.
And, if the sticky modifier key is off, it works as you said in the
message: pressed and released, it works as standard application, pressed
with another key or keys, it works as a command
I hope I have been clear, not to cause misunderstandings
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hi, you said:
when you normally press the key with out NVDA), if you press it and let go, with out pressing another key (to complete the command), the key will go through to the application.
yes, but, what about if the user has problems in hands, too?we have not just to think, one person is blind, and can easily and normally perform all body movements. Unfortunately there are many cases of brain cancers and infections, or simply because they are old, or some sort of diabetes, and so on...which make the person go blind and have also movement problems, but with the screen reader's help they can start working again. So, in this way (pressing the key and letting it go) without pressing another key for command, becomes very complicated for this kind of disabilities I suggest, rather, to have the key pressed twice quickly, to perform its normal function. And it can be toggled. that is, in the "user interface" options you could have a checkbox "sticky NVDA modifier key"
It could work like that:if "sticky NVDA modifier key" is on, pressing the Insert or CapsLock or whatever it is just once, it produces a sort of quick scale sound (I mean, for example, the 3 music notes c, e, g, played by the PC speaker) and it considers the key stuck, so, next key/keys pressed within 10-15 seconds, works as a command key, and the sticky modifier involves other keys too, for example if you have, ctrl + modifier + s, pressing the modifier it beeps as explained before, pressing the control it plays a single short beep, then pressing the third letter it performs the command, and when finished the command, it performs it and the modifier key comes back to normal non-sticky position. and, if you notice you pressed the sticky key by mistake, you re-press it and it produces the reverse sound (notes g, e, c). and, always with sticky modifier key on, if you press the modifier key twice rapidly, it deactivates and serves as the usual Windows functionality for example, assuming the modifier is caps lock, with sticky modifier key on, to toggle capital letters on and off, you must press it twice: 2 hits to make it on, and 2 to make it off. And, if the sticky modifier key is off, it works as you said in the message: pressed and released, it works as standard application, pressed with another key or keys, it works as a command
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