I think in one case though he was hoping to find a way to read those
articles without hearing that it was a link on almost every word as has
been said.
Brian
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 4:11 PM
Subject: [nvda] Re: Problem with reading articles on web sites
> It makes much more sense to learn to use things like the find command
> and
> the move by headings command and the skip blocks of links commands and
> becoming skilled at workind directly with the web page in these ways
> before using something that takes you completely out of the page with
> an
> entirely different structure. Things like links lists and elements
> lists
> should not be used until the person learning to use the Internet is
> thoroughly knowledgeabe and skilled at working with the page in direct
> ways.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Vince Thacker" <vince@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 8:32 AM
> Subject: [nvda] Re: Problem with reading articles on web sites
>
>
>> Even on Wikipedia, you might find it helful to use the Elements List
>> to
>> search for the bits you want. NVDA key+F7.
>>
>> Vince.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dave Mack" <dcmack2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 12:40 PM
>> Subject: [nvda] Re: Problem with reading articles on web sites
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks guys. Your suggestions have been met with varying degrees of
>>> success and disappointment, depending on the type of website I am on.
>>> It seems that Wickapedia is particularly problematic due to the way
>>> their frames and tables are set up. When using some of the mouse
>>> and
>>> keystroke instructions I sometimes get the underlying HTML jargon
>>> read
>>> to me instead of the text of the article. However, for the most
>>> part,
>>> NVDA does a good job reading text articles with the mouse pointer
>>> alone,
>>> as long as there isn't a lot of embedded stuff in and around the
>>> article. Meanwhile, it serves as an added incentive for me to learn
>>> keystroke navigation and wean myself off of the mouse. I often turn
>>> off
>>> my monitor when practicing keyboard navigation to avoid the
>>> temptation
>>> to grab the mouse to perform fuctions I am still able to discern with
>>> my
>>> remaining vision. Its really quite satisfying to realize that I can
>>> get
>>> along quite well without my nose pressed up against the screen and
>>> also
>>> to recall the early days of computing (pre-MAC and pre-Windows) when
>>> nwe
>>> didn't have mice. - but that's another story. Anyway, thanks for the
>>> help.
>>> Grandaoa Dave in California
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Trenton Matthews" <trenton.tmantv@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 12:20 PM
>>> Subject: [nvda] Re: Problem with reading articles on web sites
>>>
>>>
>>>> Try doing a left-click on the paragraph you wish to start from, or
>>>> pres
>>>> NVDA+num-pad-slash to root the mouse to the object, then press left
>>>> mouse button, num-pad-slash by itself.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/24/2009 17:14, thegame4121982@xxxxxxx wrote:
>>>>> This does not seem to work for me. When I put the cursor at the
>>>>> beginning of a paragraph I want read and press insert plus the down
>>>>> arrow key, it reads from somewhere but its definitely not where the
>>>>> paragraph starts. It seems that it starts reading the web page from
>>>>> beginning to end and not from where I want it to start reading
>>>>> from.
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: "Brian's mail list account" <bglists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 1:20 PM
>>>>> To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Subject: [nvda] Re: Problem with reading articles on web sites
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you get on a web site, cursor down to the start of an article
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> use insert down arrow, does it still not read the whole article?
>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bglists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>>>>>> briang1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>>>>> in the display name field.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Mack"
>>>>>> <dcmack2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 5:47 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [nvda] Re: Problem with reading articles on web sites
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi, Brian -
>>>>>>> I don't know why its programmed this way. It is particularly
>>>>>>> annoying when
>>>>>>> trying read articles on websites like Wickapedia which often
>>>>>>> contain
>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>> links in each line of text to other Wickapedia articles. I just
>>>>>>> copy the
>>>>>>> entire article to the clipboard and read it from there as I
>>>>>>> amstill
>>>>>>> trying
>>>>>>> to master keyboard navigation.
>>>>>>> Grandpa Dave in California
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Gaff Lineone
>>>>>>> downstairs"
>>>>>>> <bgaff@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 8:28 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: [nvda] Re: Problem with reading articles on web sites
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unfortunately I cannot use meeces any more so I cannot tell. Not
>>>>>>>> heard of
>>>>>>>> this before, is it done for a reason?
>>>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bgaff@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> Brian Gaff's other account.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Mack"
>>>>>>>> <dcmack2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 1:59 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [nvda] Re: Problem with reading articles on web sites
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He might be using a mouse. If you roll the mouse to an article
>>>>>>>> un
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> website it reads up to the point of the first link it encounters
>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>> stops. Not a problem for keyboard users, but might be annoying
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> partially-sighted mouse users. An *ignore linkks* option on
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> mouse
>>>>>>>> settings menu would be a nice low priority ticket item in the
>>>>>>>> future.
>>>>>>>> Just a suggestion.
>>>>>>>> Grandpa Dave in California
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: thegame4121982@xxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> To: nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 1:41 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [nvda] Problem with reading articles on web sites
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello group, I am having a problem reading articles on web
>>>>>>>> sites
>>>>>>>> using nvda. The problomatic articles are those which contains
>>>>>>>> links
>>>>>>>> anywhere in a paragraph. Nvda will start reading the article but
>>>>>>>> will stop
>>>>>>>> reading it when the word or couple of words to be read are
>>>>>>>> links.
>>>>>>>> In order
>>>>>>>> to continue reading past the link enabled word, I have to move
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> the line
>>>>>>>> below where the link is to continue reading the article. Once
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> done, nvda will resume reading the article from the word after
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> word
>>>>>>>> that has the link on it. I am not sure if this is a bug or this
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> intended behavior of nvda. Sorry I am not very good with
>>>>>>>> explaining
>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>> very clearly. Anyone notice this? I was using nvda v0.6 but
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>> updated
>>>>>>>> to the beta 20091 release. Thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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