[nvda] Re: OT: linux (was: Re: NVDA and open office)

Frankly I don't care what you think.  Obviously, if you love Lynux and Mac so 
well why don't you forget Windows, that you hate so much.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Heim" <jheim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 6:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] Re: OT: linux (was: Re: NVDA and open office)


: Yeah, it's easy for you to trash the Mac but your opinion is meaningless 
: since it's not backed up with anything even resembling facts. I'm sure on 
: the Mac list right now they're talking about how much nvda sucks.
: 
: I'm on the speakup list, the nvda list, the mac/voiceover list, and a jaws 
: list.  The one thing they all have in common is that each thinks they have 
: the bom diggity and the other systems are crap. I know, I've been in 
: discussions just like this one on each one of those lists.
: 
: ----- Original Message ----- 
: From: "David Tanner" <david-tanner@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
: To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 6:40 PM
: Subject: [nvda] Re: OT: linux (was: Re: NVDA and open office)
: 
: 
: There are millions using Apple Mac too, but I wouldn't want to use it if I 
: needed to get any real work done or had to share my work with other people.
: 
: I understand that there are over a million people still using the Comodore 
: 64 too.  Guess we should revive the speech software for the Comodore 64 and 
: see if we can adapt Open Office for that platform.
: 
: 
: ----- Original Message ----- 
: From: "John Heim" <jheim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 5:08 PM
: Subject: [nvda] Re: OT: linux (was: Re: NVDA and open office)
: 
: 
:: Dude, I'm telling you, there are about 100 people in the Department of
:: Mathematics that use linux all day every day. They do email, browse the 
: web,
:: everything you do on your Windows computer and probably more, these people
:: do on linux.  To compare linux to DOS is just plain stupid.
::
:: There are millions of people in the United States and even more in Europe
:: that use linux all day, every day. Not Windows. It is just totally untrue
:: that linux isn't ready for  users yet. Grad students at the University of
:: Wisconsin Department of Mathematics get linux computers in the offices. 
: The
:: department supplies them with linux computers, not Windows.
::
:: Maybe you mean the screen reader for linux GUI isn't ready for full time 
: use
:: yet? Did you mean orca isn't ready for prime time yet? That may be 
: correct.
:: I'm no expert on orca.
::
:: ----- Original Message ----- 
:: From: "shaun everiss" <shaun.e@xxxxxxxxxx>
:: To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
:: Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 4:53 PM
:: Subject: [nvda] Re: OT: linux (was: Re: NVDA and open office)
::
::
:: > linux is a server/admin/programming os.
:: > Yeah its got a dos like c interface.
:: > The desktop system is a bit bad.
:: > I'd like the day when ms had to compete with something like this.
:: > Its just starting out though.
:: > There are many distros of it around.
:: > Dos took around 4 years to get to where it was in 6.22 maybe 5, could be
:: > longer though as the old mac 2gs units actually used dos emulation 
: called
:: > prodos, and there were different versions of dos existing.
:: > linux is not user ready yet.
:: > I doubt that it will ever be, sertainly the interface will not but maybe
:: > the core kernals may be.
:: > At 09:18 a.m. 20/08/2007, you wrote:
:: >
:: >>If I would use linux, i would miss playing accessible games and using 
: the
:: >>scansoft voices and acapela voices to read text. I don't think there are
:: >>any natural voices for linux that are as good as acapela pro voices or
:: >>scansoft voices are there?
:: >>
:: >>Josh
:: >>
:: >>email: jkenn337@xxxxxxxxx
:: >>msn: kenn6498ku@xxxxxxxxxxx
:: >>AOL: kutztownstudent
:: >>skype: jkenn337
:: >>
:: >>----- Original Message ----- From: "John Heim" <jheim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
:: >>To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
:: >>Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 4:43 PM
:: >>Subject: [nvda] OT: linux (was: Re: NVDA and open office)
:: >>
:: >>
:: >>>What exactly do you think is wrong with pine? You know, I don't think 
: you
:: >>>should trash linux unless you are actually familiar with it. I support
:: >>>about 100 sighted linux users and probably half of them use pine by
:: >>>choice. I use mutt when reading email via linux.
:: >>>
:: >>>I don't know why you think pine and lynx are so bad. What are you 
: missing
:: >>>out on? Well, lynx doesn't support javascript. Personally, I use 
: edgrowse
:: >>>to surf the web. But the point is that the bells and whistles that come
:: >>>with a modern GUI are simply a waste of resources for blind people.
:: >>>
:: >>>I'll bet I do everything on my linux laptop that you do on your Windows
:: >>>computer, possibly more.
:: >>>
:: >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tanner"
:: >>><david-tanner@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
:: >>>To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
:: >>>Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 3:22 PM
:: >>>Subject: [nvda] Re: NVDA and open office
:: >>>
:: >>>
:: >>>I went to a presentation on Lynux at the ACB convention back in July 
: and
:: >>>was surprised that these folks were still excited about surfing the web
:: >>>with Links and doing email with Pine.  Good grief, that is what we were
:: >>>doing 10 years ago in DOS.  If Lynux isn't any further than that then 
: who
:: >>>wants it anyway?
:: >>>
:: >>>
:: >>>
:: >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Harmon"
:: >>><rharmon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
:: >>>To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
:: >>>Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 3:07 PM
:: >>>Subject: [nvda] Re: NVDA and open office
:: >>>
:: >>>
:: >>>: I'm sure many will disagree with my opinion but yes Linux is outdated
:: >>>and
:: >>>: has no hopes of taking over the market any time.  It's a hobbyist OS
:: >>>and
:: >>>: that's all that's ever going to be.  Attempts were made to bring 
: Linux
:: >>>into
:: >>>: everyones homes about 8 to 10 years ago with Lindows and projects 
: like
:: >>>Wine
:: >>>: to make Linux more like the evil Windows.  It's never happened except
:: >>>for
:: >>>: one exception and that  is Apple's OS 10 that uses basically Linux
:: >>>under
:: >>>: it's shell.
:: >>>:
:: >>>: Even where linux shines on the server market is being eroded away
:: >>>slowly but
:: >>>: surely by Microsoft servers.
:: >>>:
:: >>>: Rick
:: >>>:
:: >>>: ----- Original Message ----- : From: "Josh" <jkenn337@xxxxxxxxx>
:: >>>: To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
:: >>>: Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 3:55 PM
:: >>>: Subject: [nvda] Re: NVDA and open office
:: >>>:
:: >>>:
:: >>>: ok so in other words Linux is just outdated for the most part.
:: >>>:
:: >>>: Most of the reason I don't like spam is because a lot of it is true.
:: >>>: email: jkenn337@xxxxxxxxx
:: >>>: msn: kenn6498ku@xxxxxxxxxxx
:: >>>: AOL: kutztownstudent
:: >>>: skype: jkenn337
:: >>>:
:: >>>: ----- Original Message ----- : From: "Rick Harmon"
:: >>><rharmon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
:: >>>: To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
:: >>>: Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 3:40 PM
:: >>>: Subject: [nvda] Re: NVDA and open office
:: >>>:
:: >>>:
:: >>>: >A G U I was slapped onto Linux to make it compete with the all evil
:: >>>Windows
:: >>>: > and it's clunky at best even to sighted users.  I tried to join the
:: >>>Linux
:: >>>: > band wagon a few times several years ago before I lost my sight.
:: >>>It's a
:: >>>: > antiquated OS right of the 70's and 80's things like accessibility
:: >>>and G U
:: >>>: > I
:: >>>: > weren't even ever thought about back when I started messing with
:: >>>Linux
:: >>>: > back
:: >>>: > in 1992.  I'll admit Linux has it areas it shines in but to replace
:: >>>the
:: >>>: > number one OS in the world I just don't think so no matter what G U 
: I
:: >>>and
:: >>>: > accessibility you attempt to slap on top of it.
:: >>>: >
:: >>>: > Rick
:: >>>: >
:: >>>: > ----- Original Message ----- : > From: "Jim Grimsby Jr."
:: >>><jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx>
:: >>>: > To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
:: >>>: > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 3:30 PM
:: >>>: > Subject: [nvda] Re: NVDA and open office
:: >>>: >
:: >>>: >
:: >>>: > Well rick lets tell the truth for josh so he can wake up and get a
:: >>>clue.
:: >>>: > G
:: >>>: > u I access under linux is no where near what it is under windows. 
: It
:: >>>is
:: >>>: > unstable getting it to work is a pain in the *** and now there is
:: >>>only one
:: >>>: > choice for it yet again because the lsr prodject dyed from I b m. 
: it
:: >>>is
:: >>>: > doing what everyone here seems to think is a good idea trying to 
: get
:: >>>: > everyone to use these access api that then do the work for the 
: screen
:: >>>: > reader
:: >>>: > buy telling it what is going on verses the screen reader going out
:: >>>and
:: >>>: > getting the information for it self.  There is your open sorce
:: >>>: > accessability. Oh lets not talk about skype lets not talk about 
: audio
:: >>>: > editing lets not even talk about the fact the main usable linux
:: >>>screen
:: >>>: > reader for the jcl speakup  will not even compile in the latest
:: >>>kernels.
:: >>>: > Oh
:: >>>: > we will not even talk about the problems the new computer user can
:: >>>exspect
:: >>>: > to face with newer higher end hardware.  For example my m-audio 
: fast
:: >>>track
:: >>>: > pro sound card will not work at all under linux.  While I like the
:: >>>idea of
:: >>>: > open sorce it is not  having such a grate track rechord for
:: >>>accessability.
:: >>>: > N v d a is a nice pordject but josh it can only go so far as long 
: as
:: >>>it
:: >>>: > keeps on with the idea that programs need to provide it information
:: >>>threw
:: >>>: > api models.  No it needs a video driver to really be effective now 
: if
:: >>>you
:: >>>: > really want to help stop talking and running your ever flapping 
: mouth
:: >>>and
:: >>>: > start trying to write grants. While your at it compile means and 
: ways
:: >>>for
:: >>>: > the rest of us.  Now why don't I do the same thing?  Well the 
: answer
:: >>>is
:: >>>: > simple I am not the one doing the bitching.
:: >>>: >
:: >>>: > Jim Grimsby Jr.
:: >>>: > skype: Jim.grimsby
:: >>>: > I say what I mean! I mean what I say!
:: >>>: >
:: >>>: > -----Original Message-----
:: >>>: > From: nvda-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nvda-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
: On
:: >>>: > Behalf
:: >>>: > Of Rick Harmon
:: >>>: > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 12:13 PM
:: >>>: > To: nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
:: >>>: > Subject: [nvda] Re: NVDA and open office
:: >>>: >
:: >>>: > Open source software is no better or no worse than commercial
:: >>>software in
:: >>>: > regards to accessibility.  Just because something is open source
:: >>>doesn't
:: >>>: > mean you or someone else can make it accessible.  Take NVDA as an
:: >>>example.
:: >>>: > It's not able to do certain things as well at this time as the
:: >>>commercial
:: >>>: > products are able to do.  So even Mick and the team can't just wave
:: >>>their
:: >>>: > magic wands and make something happen.  It's not as easy as you 
: seem
:: >>>to
:: >>>: > think it is Josh to make the world become accessible to you.  I see
:: >>>your
:: >>>: > posts all the time and you seem to thing just because something 
: runs
:: >>>on
:: >>>: > Linux or is open source you can contact someone and just have them
:: >>>: > magically
:: >>>: >
:: >>>: > make the thing accessible.  You need to realize at some point no
:: >>>matter
:: >>>: > how
:: >>>: > bad you want this to happen it's not going to, at least not as 
: easily
:: >>>as
:: >>>: > you
:: >>>: >
:: >>>: > seem to think at least.
:: >>>: >
:: >>>: > Rick
:: >>>: >
:: >>>: > ----- Original Message ----- : > From: "Josh" <jkenn337@xxxxxxxxx>
:: >>>: > To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
:: >>>: > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 2:38 PM
:: >>>: > Subject: [nvda] Re: NVDA and open office
:: >>>: >
:: >>>: >
:: >>>: > maybe if the business world did run on open source it would be 
: better
:: >>>for
:: >>>: > them all around.
:: >>>: >
:: >>>: > Josh
:: >>>: >
:: >>>: > Most of the reason I don't like spam is because a lot of it is 
: true.
:: >>>: > email: jkenn337@xxxxxxxxx
:: >>>: > msn: kenn6498ku@xxxxxxxxxxx
:: >>>: > AOL: kutztownstudent
:: >>>: > skype: jkenn337
:: >>>: >
:: >>>: > ----- Original Message ----- : > From: "ben swig"
:: >>><swigjr23@xxxxxxxxxxx>
:: >>>: > To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
:: >>>: > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 12:03 PM
:: >>>: > Subject: [nvda] Re: NVDA and open office
:: >>>: >
:: >>>: >
:: >>>: >
:: >>>: > The big screenreader companies tend to stay away from open source
:: >>>because
:: >>>: > the business world doesn't use the open source.  Everything is run 
: on
:: >>>: > windows and Microsoft. > Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 11:30:12 -0400> To:
:: >>>: > nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> From: erik@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [nvda]
:: >>>Re:
:: >>>: > NVDA
:: >>>: > and open office> > Hi, I may be rong, but open office doesn't fly 
: too
:: >>>high
:: >>>: > with the > commercial screan access products either.> > If enough 
: of
:: >>>us
:: >>>: > use
:: >>>: > it, it may be worth going after the open office > developers and
:: >>>having
:: >>>: > them
:: >>>: > work on accessibility from their > standpoint. I'm sure there's
:: >>>somewhat
:: >>>: > they could do from their end > to bring it to better usibility.> >
:: >>>What
:: >>>: > about easy office? I always thought they were the same project, > 
: or
:: >>>that
:: >>>: > they had been colaborated into one product, but since open > office
:: >>>isn't
:: >>>: > giving you great joy, why not see ifyou can find easy > office? I
:: >>>have
:: >>>: > friends using easy office out of the box with > window-eyes and 
: they
:: >>>are
:: >>>: > happy with it, but they don't really put it > through it's paces.> 
: >
:: >>>: > Best,>
:: >>>: > > Erik> At 08:40 AM 18/08/2007, you wrote:> >Hi list, I am writing
:: >>>after a
:: >>>: > long time. have not been here for long > >but have been following 
: all
:: >>>the
:: >>>: > latest releases of NVDA. I have been > >trying nvda with open 
: office
:: >>>and
:: >>>: > have got mixed results. There is an > >accessibility preference 
: under
:: >>>the
:: >>>: > options. If you enable it, nvda > >provides support in the writer 
: and
:: >>>calc
:: >>>: > applications. but it is only > >partial at best. actually open 
: office
:: >>>uses
:: >>>: > java access bridge for > >accessibility. So while you can read and
:: >>>write
:: >>>: > documents, there is > >no way for getting the font information etc
:: >>>there
:: >>>: > as
:: >>>: > those commands > >don't work at all. It is my sincere opinion that
:: >>>NVDA
:: >>>: > being an open > >source project, should support open source
:: >>>applications
:: >>>: > specially > >the open office suit.> >Another thing I would like to
:: >>>know is
:: >>>: > whether there is any > >documentation on the laptop keypad layout.>
:: >>>: > >Thanks,> >Aruni.> >To post messages to the list send email to>
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:: >>>: > of Nonvisual Desktop Access, an > >open source free screen reader 
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: source free screen reader for Microsoft Windows:
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: To post messages to the list send email to
: nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
: To modify your NVDA Email settings go to:
: http://www.freelists.org/list/nvda
: Thank you for your continued support of Nonvisual Desktop Access, an open 
source free screen reader for Microsoft Windows:
: http://www.nvda-project.org/
: To get the latest NVDA snapshot:
: http://www.nvda-project.org/snapshots/
: Report bugs or make feature requests at:
: http://trac.nvda-project.org/
: Message Archive:
: http://www.freelists.org/archives/nvda
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To post messages to the list send email to
nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To modify your NVDA Email settings go to:
http://www.freelists.org/list/nvda
Thank you for your continued support of Nonvisual Desktop Access, an open 
source free screen reader for Microsoft Windows:
http://www.nvda-project.org/
To get the latest NVDA snapshot:
http://www.nvda-project.org/snapshots/
Report bugs or make feature requests at:
http://trac.nvda-project.org/
Message Archive:
http://www.freelists.org/archives/nvda

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