[nvda] Re: OT: linux

i believe there are cepstral voices for linux. i oculd be wrong though.

Trenton Matthews wrote:
Wish they had Cepstral voices for Linux. I wonder, if Debian Linux would work under NVDA. The web site for more info about that version of linux is: 
http://co-linux.org
Since it can run under a "DOS" window, I'd wonder if it would work well. I wonder if Gnopericus could work with NVDA, or even the Gnome desktop itself. This is quite interesting!if D 
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Josh" <jkenn337@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 3:18 PM
Subject: [nvda] Re: OT: linux (was: Re: NVDA and open office)
If I would use linux, i would miss playing accessible games and using the scansoft voices and acapela voices to read text. I don't think there are any natural voices for linux that are as good as acapela pro voices or scansoft voices are there? 

Josh

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----- Original Message ----- From: "John Heim" <jheim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 4:43 PM
Subject: [nvda] OT: linux (was: Re: NVDA and open office)
What exactly do you think is wrong with pine? You know, I don't think you should trash linux unless you are actually familiar with it. I support about 100 sighted linux users and probably half of them use pine by choice. I use mutt when reading email via linux.
I don't know why you think pine and lynx are so bad. What are you missing out on? Well, lynx doesn't support javascript. Personally, I use edgrowse to surf the web. But the point is that the bells and whistles that come with a modern GUI are simply a waste of resources for blind people.
I'll bet I do everything on my linux laptop that you do on your Windows computer, possibly more.
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tanner" <david-tanner@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 3:22 PM
Subject: [nvda] Re: NVDA and open office
I went to a presentation on Lynux at the ACB convention back in July and was surprised that these folks were still excited about surfing the web with Links and doing email with Pine. Good grief, that is what we were doing 10 years ago in DOS. If Lynux isn't any further than that then who wants it anyway?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Harmon" <rharmon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 3:07 PM
Subject: [nvda] Re: NVDA and open office
: I'm sure many will disagree with my opinion but yes Linux is outdated and : has no hopes of taking over the market any time. It's a hobbyist OS and : that's all that's ever going to be. Attempts were made to bring Linux into : everyones homes about 8 to 10 years ago with Lindows and projects like Wine : to make Linux more like the evil Windows. It's never happened except for : one exception and that is Apple's OS 10 that uses basically Linux under 
: it's shell.
:
: Even where linux shines on the server market is being eroded away slowly but 
: surely by Microsoft servers.
:
: Rick
:
: ----- Original Message ----- : From: "Josh" <jkenn337@xxxxxxxxx>
: To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 3:55 PM
: Subject: [nvda] Re: NVDA and open office
:
:
: ok so in other words Linux is just outdated for the most part.
:
: Most of the reason I don't like spam is because a lot of it is true.
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: ----- Original Message ----- : From: "Rick Harmon" <rharmon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
: To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 3:40 PM
: Subject: [nvda] Re: NVDA and open office
:
:
: >A G U I was slapped onto Linux to make it compete with the all evil Windows : > and it's clunky at best even to sighted users. I tried to join the Linux : > band wagon a few times several years ago before I lost my sight. It's a : > antiquated OS right of the 70's and 80's things like accessibility and G U 
: > I
: > weren't even ever thought about back when I started messing with Linux 
: > back
: > in 1992. I'll admit Linux has it areas it shines in but to replace the : > number one OS in the world I just don't think so no matter what G U I and 
: > accessibility you attempt to slap on top of it.
: >
: > Rick
: >
: > ----- Original Message ----- : > From: "Jim Grimsby Jr." <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
: > To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 3:30 PM
: > Subject: [nvda] Re: NVDA and open office
: >
: >
: > Well rick lets tell the truth for josh so he can wake up and get a clue. 
: > G
: > u I access under linux is no where near what it is under windows. It is : > unstable getting it to work is a pain in the *** and now there is only one : > choice for it yet again because the lsr prodject dyed from I b m. it is : > doing what everyone here seems to think is a good idea trying to get : > everyone to use these access api that then do the work for the screen 
: > reader
: > buy telling it what is going on verses the screen reader going out and 
: > getting the information for it self.  There is your open sorce
: > accessability. Oh lets not talk about skype lets not talk about audio : > editing lets not even talk about the fact the main usable linux screen : > reader for the jcl speakup will not even compile in the latest kernels. 
: > Oh
: > we will not even talk about the problems the new computer user can exspect : > to face with newer higher end hardware. For example my m-audio fast track : > pro sound card will not work at all under linux. While I like the idea of : > open sorce it is not having such a grate track rechord for accessability. : > N v d a is a nice pordject but josh it can only go so far as long as it : > keeps on with the idea that programs need to provide it information threw : > api models. No it needs a video driver to really be effective now if you : > really want to help stop talking and running your ever flapping mouth and : > start trying to write grants. While your at it compile means and ways for : > the rest of us. Now why don't I do the same thing? Well the answer is 
: > simple I am not the one doing the bitching.
: >
: > Jim Grimsby Jr.
: > skype: Jim.grimsby
: > I say what I mean! I mean what I say!
: >
: > -----Original Message-----
: > From: nvda-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nvda-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
: > Behalf
: > Of Rick Harmon
: > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 12:13 PM
: > To: nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
: > Subject: [nvda] Re: NVDA and open office
: >
: > Open source software is no better or no worse than commercial software in : > regards to accessibility. Just because something is open source doesn't : > mean you or someone else can make it accessible. Take NVDA as an example. : > It's not able to do certain things as well at this time as the commercial : > products are able to do. So even Mick and the team can't just wave their : > magic wands and make something happen. It's not as easy as you seem to : > think it is Josh to make the world become accessible to you. I see your : > posts all the time and you seem to thing just because something runs on 
: > Linux or is open source you can contact someone and just have them
: > magically
: >
: > make the thing accessible. You need to realize at some point no matter 
: > how
: > bad you want this to happen it's not going to, at least not as easily as 
: > you
: >
: > seem to think at least.
: >
: > Rick
: >
: > ----- Original Message ----- : > From: "Josh" <jkenn337@xxxxxxxxx>
: > To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 2:38 PM
: > Subject: [nvda] Re: NVDA and open office
: >
: >
: > maybe if the business world did run on open source it would be better for 
: > them all around.
: >
: > Josh
: >
: > Most of the reason I don't like spam is because a lot of it is true. 
: > email: jkenn337@xxxxxxxxx
: > msn: kenn6498ku@xxxxxxxxxxx
: > AOL: kutztownstudent
: > skype: jkenn337
: >
: > ----- Original Message ----- : > From: "ben swig" <swigjr23@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
: > To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 12:03 PM
: > Subject: [nvda] Re: NVDA and open office
: >
: >
: >
: > The big screenreader companies tend to stay away from open source because : > the business world doesn't use the open source. Everything is run on 
: > windows and Microsoft. > Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 11:30:12 -0400> To:
: > nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> From: erik@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [nvda] Re: 
: > NVDA
: > and open office> > Hi, I may be rong, but open office doesn't fly too high : > with the > commercial screan access products either.> > If enough of us 
: > use
: > it, it may be worth going after the open office > developers and having 
: > them
: > work on accessibility from their > standpoint. I'm sure there's somewhat : > they could do from their end > to bring it to better usibility.> > What : > about easy office? I always thought they were the same project, > or that : > they had been colaborated into one product, but since open > office isn't : > giving you great joy, why not see ifyou can find easy > office? I have : > friends using easy office out of the box with > window-eyes and they are : > happy with it, but they don't really put it > through it's paces.> > 
: > Best,>
: > > Erik> At 08:40 AM 18/08/2007, you wrote:> >Hi list, I am writing after a : > long time. have not been here for long > >but have been following all the : > latest releases of NVDA. I have been > >trying nvda with open office and : > have got mixed results. There is an > >accessibility preference under the : > options. If you enable it, nvda > >provides support in the writer and calc : > applications. but it is only > >partial at best. actually open office uses : > java access bridge for > >accessibility. So while you can read and write : > documents, there is > >no way for getting the font information etc there 
: > as
: > those commands > >don't work at all. It is my sincere opinion that NVDA : > being an open > >source project, should support open source applications : > specially > >the open office suit.> >Another thing I would like to know is 
: > whether there is any > >documentation on the laptop keypad layout.>
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