[nvda] Re: NVDA and video intercept VS display hooks.

Hi not trying for a debate here.  I agree a request should be maid and I am
the first to make it.  How ever then watch to see what happens.  The request
is maid and maybe you will get some thing done.  Maybe how ever if you got
the tools in your screen reader to do it you will see results if you just go
do it.  
For example foobar.  Every time you move to a new play list the window
listing the files is not updated to reflect the change in play list. 
You have to focus the tab list then focus the play list listing window.  I
sent a request to foobar asking this be fixed.  I am still waiting.  But
using jaws I fixed the problem on the same night I sent the request with a
jaws script.  Granted this does nothing for n v d a window eyes etc but at
least I am not having to jump threw hoops with foobar on my primary screen
reader.  
So requesting is grate wonderful and I support it but waiting around and not
having access because we are waiting for thoughs requests to be granted I
just don't see it. 

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From: nvda-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nvda-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of James Teh
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 4:41 PM
To: nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [nvda] Re: NVDA and video intercept VS display hooks.


Jim Grimsby JR. wrote:
> Well the bottom line here is we do not live in a perfect world and the 
> bottom line here is the job of the screen readr to provide access not 
> the job of the programmer.
I disagree. It is always better to have an application accessible out of 
the box than have to implement all sorts of dirty hacks to make it 
accessible in a screen reader. Doing the latter frequently results in 
accessibility which is flawed and unreliable at best. I agree that a 
screen reader should try to implement other methods where the developers 
absolutely refuse to change anything to fix their inaccessible 
applications, but where there is hope of a fix, this should always be 
tried. It is precisely this ideal of placing the onus on the screen 
reader that has led to so much poor accessibility in the Windows world. 
Aside from all of this, accessibility can have other less obvious 
benefits. For example, there is no need to use non-standard widgets if 
the standard ones can achieve the same task; why reinvent the wheel? 
Similarly, if accessibility is so hard to implement, there is a problem 
with the separation of user interface from core logic, which is a sign 
of very bad application design, something which is becoming all too 
common in today's "release first, reliability later" world.

I'm not the type to say "if an application isn't made accessible, tough 
luck; we can't support it". You're quite right - we do not live in a 
perfect world and having this attitude is just biting off one's nose to 
spite one's face. However, nor do I believe in the opposite idea of "we 
shouldn't have to request that applications be made accessible; we 
should just deal with the best we can and suffer poor accessibility".

Jamie

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