[nvda] Re: NVDA and open office

I'm sticking to windows for now because I don't want to take the chance of messing up this machine. besides, I have things that only run on windows that I just couldn't bare to part with such as my games and text to speech engines like scansoft voices and things. 

Josh

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Harmon" <rharmon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 4:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] Re: NVDA and open office
Well that needs to be a choice you make because of your experience with it, not because of what I say. Some love Linux and will not use anything else. 
I only gave my opinion and it really means nothing to anyone probably but
myself. Try it out and decide for yourself, maybe you'll like it a lot more 
than I did.

Rick
----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh" <jkenn337@xxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 4:43 PM
Subject: [nvda] Re: NVDA and open office


well then I'll definitely just stick to windows.

Josh

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Harmon" <rharmon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 4:07 PM
Subject: [nvda] Re: NVDA and open office



I'm sure many will disagree with my opinion but yes Linux is outdated and
has no hopes of taking over the market any time.  It's a hobbyist OS and
that's all that's ever going to be.  Attempts were made to bring Linux
into
everyones homes about 8 to 10 years ago with Lindows and projects like
Wine
to make Linux more like the evil Windows.  It's never happened except for
one exception and that  is Apple's OS 10 that uses basically Linux under
it's shell.

Even where linux shines on the server market is being eroded away slowly
but
surely by Microsoft servers.

Rick
----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh" <jkenn337@xxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 3:55 PM
Subject: [nvda] Re: NVDA and open office


ok so in other words Linux is just outdated for the most part.

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Harmon" <rharmon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 3:40 PM
Subject: [nvda] Re: NVDA and open office



A G U I was slapped onto Linux to make it compete with the all evil
Windows
and it's clunky at best even to sighted users. I tried to join the Linux 
band wagon a few times several years ago before I lost my sight.  It's a
antiquated OS right of the 70's and 80's things like accessibility and G
U
I
weren't even ever thought about back when I started messing with Linux
back
in 1992.  I'll admit Linux has it areas it shines in but to replace the
number one OS in the world I just don't think so no matter what G U I and 
accessibility you attempt to slap on top of it.

Rick
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Grimsby Jr." <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 3:30 PM
Subject: [nvda] Re: NVDA and open office


Well rick lets tell the truth for josh so he can wake up and get a clue.
G
u I access under linux is no where near what it is under windows.  It is
unstable getting it to work is a pain in the *** and now there is only
one
choice for it yet again because the lsr prodject dyed from I b m. it is
doing what everyone here seems to think is a good idea trying to get
everyone to use these access api that then do the work for the screen
reader
buy telling it what is going on verses the screen reader going out and
getting the information for it self.  There is your open sorce
accessability. Oh lets not talk about skype lets not talk about audio
editing lets not even talk about the fact the main usable linux screen
reader for the jcl speakup  will not even compile in the latest kernels.
Oh
we will not even talk about the problems the new computer user can
exspect
to face with newer higher end hardware.  For example my m-audio fast
track
pro sound card will not work at all under linux.  While I like the idea
of
open sorce it is not  having such a grate track rechord for
accessability.
N v d a is a nice pordject but josh it can only go so far as long as it
keeps on with the idea that programs need to provide it information threw api models. No it needs a video driver to really be effective now if you really want to help stop talking and running your ever flapping mouth and start trying to write grants. While your at it compile means and ways for 
the rest of us.  Now why don't I do the same thing?  Well the answer is
simple I am not the one doing the bitching.

Jim Grimsby Jr.
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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nvda-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of Rick Harmon
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 12:13 PM
To: nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [nvda] Re: NVDA and open office
Open source software is no better or no worse than commercial software in 
regards to accessibility.  Just because something is open source doesn't
mean you or someone else can make it accessible.  Take NVDA as an
example.
It's not able to do certain things as well at this time as the commercial products are able to do. So even Mick and the team can't just wave their 
magic wands and make something happen.  It's not as easy as you seem to
think it is Josh to make the world become accessible to you.  I see your
posts all the time and you seem to thing just because something runs on
Linux or is open source you can contact someone and just have them
magically

make the thing accessible.  You need to realize at some point no matter
how
bad you want this to happen it's not going to, at least not as easily as
you

seem to think at least.

Rick
----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh" <jkenn337@xxxxxxxxx> 
To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 2:38 PM
Subject: [nvda] Re: NVDA and open office
maybe if the business world did run on open source it would be better for 
them all around.

Josh

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----- Original Message ----- From: "ben swig" <swigjr23@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 12:03 PM
Subject: [nvda] Re: NVDA and open office
The big screenreader companies tend to stay away from open source because 
the business world doesn't use the open source.  Everything is run on
windows and Microsoft. > Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 11:30:12 -0400> To:
nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> From: erik@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [nvda] Re:
NVDA
and open office> > Hi, I may be rong, but open office doesn't fly too
high
with the > commercial screan access products either.> > If enough of us
use
it, it may be worth going after the open office > developers and having
them
work on accessibility from their > standpoint. I'm sure there's somewhat
they could do from their end > to bring it to better usibility.> > What
about easy office? I always thought they were the same project, > or that they had been colaborated into one product, but since open > office isn't 
giving you great joy, why not see ifyou can find easy > office? I have
friends using easy office out of the box with > window-eyes and they are
happy with it, but they don't really put it > through it's paces.> >
Best,>
> Erik> At 08:40 AM 18/08/2007, you wrote:> >Hi list, I am writing after
> a
long time. have not been here for long > >but have been following all the 
latest releases of NVDA. I have been > >trying nvda with open office and
have got mixed results. There is an > >accessibility preference under the 
options. If you enable it, nvda > >provides support in the writer and
calc
applications. but it is only > >partial at best. actually open office
uses
java access bridge for > >accessibility. So while you can read and write
documents, there is > >no way for getting the font information etc there
as
those commands > >don't work at all. It is my sincere opinion that NVDA
being an open > >source project, should support open source applications
specially > >the open office suit.> >Another thing I would like to know
is
whether there is any > >documentation on the laptop keypad layout.>
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