[nvda] NVDA With Windows Live Messenger!

Now, how cool is that! Windows Live Messenger is doing quite well now!
Only thing that I'm waiting for at the moment, is the ability to hear what characters are in the input edit box. The curssor moves, however nothing is spoken. As for the history window, excellent job! I didn't know there was a vertical bar there? Emoticons are currently being said as "question marks," however I'm guesing that they'll be fixed later on. And the message sending and recieving of messages is doing nicely! I wonder how NVDA will deal with the tool tips in messenger, for example, a person is typing a message, or when you're outside the program, I wonder how NVDA will be able to read the tool tips when a message comes, or when someone signs in. 
That's all for now, chat with ya all on here later!
----- Original Message ----- From: "trenton matthews" <afrang150@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 11:01 PM
Subject: [nvda] Re: webpage links



Well, I was on the web site:
www.southernmedia-nmsa.com
which is a news music web site, and I noticed, it doesn't say if the links are on-clickable ones or not, however with the tab key, I like it cause it first gives the alternative text first, then the acctual URL! i like it! And for the "k" and "shift-K" hotkeys, it just says the link name. How creative! The only thing I wish though, is for both of the methods to be accurate on the same line. Wehn tabbing, it seems like one curssor is going one way, and some other currsor is going the other way. Different!
----- Original Message ----- From: "trenton matthews" <afrang150@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 9:23 PM
Subject: [nvda] Re: webpage links
Hmm. That concept I believe is the same thing that the Freedom Box uses. It'd be cool if NVDA had a community like that to level links on web pages, and people could pass this special labels around. I wonder if it would work! I wonder if NVDA recognizes "mouse over" links, like the hal screen reader's approach. Yes, jaws has that same feature, however I like Hal's way of describing them! Lastly, this is a little off topic, but its a good time to bring it up I guess, "Has anyone noticed the keystrokes for NVDA is a mix of Hal/Super Nova's and Jaws for Windows?" I myself like it! I mentioned i was gonna try and make a list of the Window-eyes keystrokes to have a window-eyes layout for NVDA, for example with web, it wouldn't sound right to me pabes, , since almost every screen reader now has a Jaws layout! 
Ok, I'm done rambling now... My that was time consuming...
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mirabella, Mathew J" <Mathew.Mirabella@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 7:10 PM
Subject: [nvda] Re: webpage links


Ok that does seem like what she meant.
So to label links, you would have to have some code or inidcation of the
link itself - something unique about it, and then have something in NVDA
that works like a macro that replaces what is read by your label
whenever that link is encountered inside a buffer.  And if this were
done, it would certainly work across whatever computer you work on if
you keep that label with your nvda.
Mat.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nvda-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Timothy Wynn
Sent: Monday, 23 April 2007 11:07 AM
To: nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [nvda] Re: webpage links

Hello,
That's not what she meant.  She meant, if she could rename the link
herself? And yet keep it stored in a file or something so that she don't
have to keep renaming it.  At leat that's whatI think she's asking.

-----Original Message-----
.From: "Mirabella, Mathew J"<Mathew.Mirabella@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
.Sent: 4/22/07 8:58:23 PM
.To: "nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"<nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
.Subject: [nvda] Re: webpage links
.
.Hi Cindy.
.Not exactly sure what you mean because links should read ok, but
.generally yes links can have labels of sorts.
.
.Firstly, if it is a normal link, the link phrase should be announced by
.NVDA and any screen reader, because the link phrase is really just text
.in the html page, but it is a link and can be selected etc.  The link
.phrase should be descriptive, rather than something like "click here".
.
.If it is an image link, then the image itself can have alt text in the
.alt= attribute value.  The alt text ought to be read by any screen
.reader including nvda.  Again, alt text should be meaningful.
.
.If the link is a region of an image map on the client side, then that
.AREA region can have alt text, and this alt text should also be read by
.any screen reader.
.
.If the link is a region of an image map that is specified on the server
.side, it is more complicated because it is harder to provide alt text
.etc.  But even so, WCAG suggests that if server side image maps are
.used, client side redundant links ought to be provided at least until
.user agents (including screen readers) can render and utilise alt text
.or labels for server side image map regions.
.
.If it is a button with an image (instead of the default button), then
.alt text can be provided here as well, and other screen readers can
read
.this.  Of course, if it is a plain html button, the value attribute of
.the input element provides the label, and it is shown on screen... It
is
.just that when an image is used in place of this default, the alt text
.is required.
.
.Also, more generally, it is possible to include a title= attribute with
.a value that describes the link in the link element itself (and also on
.input elements if you want).  Normally you would not use this, but if
.the link phrases themselves are not descriptive enough and the
designers
.don't want to change the look of the page, then one might use title= on
.the link to provide a label.  Screen readers can certainly be
configured
.to read title attribute values, but they may not be set up to do so by
.default.
.
.So if the page has "click here" links, and the designers just won't
.change them to something more descriptive, then you could suggest the
.use of title= to provide something more meaningful.  But good link
.phrases is always preferred.
.
.Note that whenever alt text for images is provided, and whenever title=
.attributes for links are provided, many browsers will create little
.tooltips for this text that will appear in a small yellow popup when
the
.mouse is rolled over the item.  This can be useful but some people find
.it annoying too if every little thing on a site has a tooltip.
.
.If title attributes are provided on links where the link phrase is also
.provided, some screen readers may read both, or one or the other.  Some
.people get annoyed with screen readers that read both phrases and
.titles.  Further, if an image link has alt text, and the same link has
a
.title, then it is a matter of priority which the screen reader will
.announce, the alt text or the link title... Again, some read out both,
.and some read only alt text.  SO in design, you need to be clear on
what
.information you are providing, for what purpose, and in what way are
you
.providing it.  Redundancy is useful, but not if it clutters up the
.reading of the page with too much information that provides little or
no
.extra value.
.
.I have rambled on more than enough now...
.
.Mat.
.
.
.-----Original Message-----
.From: nvda-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:nvda-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
.Behalf Of slery
.Sent: Monday, 23 April 2007 10:40 AM
.To: Nvda Listserv
.Subject: [nvda] webpage links
.
.Is there a way to label a link so that nvda will announce it even
though
.the
.website did not label it?
.
.If the answer is yes, will this work from computer to computer?  I have
.put
.nvda on a usb drive and primarily use it from one computer but do move
.it
.around occasionally.
.
.I can't actually give you the website address because it is within a
.membership site.  Most things are working fine on the site and I love
.the
.way that nvda automatically reads the main text to start with and I
have
.to
.tab to get it to read me the navigation buttons down the side.  It is
.within
.subsequent pages that I encounter one where (I'm partially sighted so I
.can
.check) I need to choose between three options and they are separate
.links
.attached to a graphic that I only get click here announced from nvda.
.
.TIA,
.Cindy
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