[nvda] Re: NVDA, Now The Screen Reader Of Choice?

Maybe you should attempt to stop seeing issues from your anti FS bias.  Your
FS bias is so intense that you are completely unobjective in evaluating
JAWS.  Unstable?  Maybe on your machine.  JAWS is very stable on my machine.
Maybe you shouldn't generalize from just your experience or a small number
of users experience and get real data.  Maybe JAWS wouldn't be so widely
used if it was as unstable as you state.  You are stating that JAWS is
unstable as though it were a fact.  It is not a fact.  Do a proper study or
site properly done research with a proper sample of reliable data covering
hundreds of users and see what you find out.  All for profit screen-readers
cost a lot of money if they are worth anything.  Obviously, there is no
economy of scale when developing screen-readers.  The customer base is too
small.  If JAWS or any other for profit screen-reader had a large customer
base, the cost would be comparable to purchasing software sold to the
general public.  Why don't you criticize Window-eyes for being expensive?
It isn't that much cheaper than JAWS yet you don't say one word.
I have no objection to criticisms of JAWS or FS that are based in fact or represent opinions not based in anti FS bias. It may be, for example, that FS should have only one version of JAWS. JAWS has some annoying bugs that should be corrected and that have been in the program for many versions. It may be a fair criticism that FS doesn't have an installment purchase plan. The new version of Openbook has, in my opinion, an interface that is not well designed. It is also much slower than it should be in recognition. but I do object to FS bashing or any bashing of any company or product, for that matter.
Finally, you didn't respond to a number of my points and questions. You gave no source 
for your statement, which you made as a statement of fact, about why FS is
giving away the Daisy reader.

Gene
----- Original Message ----- From: "Trenton Matthews" <trenton.tmantv@xxxxxxxxx> 
To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 7:50 AM
Subject: [nvda] Re: NVDA, Now The Screen Reader Of Choice?



The last I shall say about the dear old shark, is that the day that
freedom decides to make upgrades actually mean something, is the day I
may play with a demo
. All these features come down to a price of around $160, and that for
every upgrade is ridiculous in itself.
Must I say the upgrades are too modern?
That's the biggest thing, this research feature.
Jaws will always still be the largest screen reader on a person's
harddrive, and its quite sad its over 100 MB, not including the
self-talking installer, which is not technically needed.
Oh, and as for documentation and stuff, it of course is my own
oppinion, nothing more.
But the fact always willl remain, Jaws will never, be, stable. Just
wait or the next time it crashes.
As for the hotkeys, who's gonna mess with one of those files with hot
keys? Too risky in my oppinion.
Ok, I'm done.
The only thing great about Freedom if anything, is their podcasts. A
bit long, but they got good intro music.
Oh, anything Jaws can do, NVDA and Window-Eyes can do it quite easily.
Case closed for the T Man here, back to the Window-Eyes and NVDA side of
life.

Trenton, the T Man!


On 9/3/09, Mario Percinic <mario.percinic@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Well, actually i think that one of the reasons why freedom decided to
give
their fsreader for free with jaws is due to the situation that daisy is
slowly becoming more and more fre and open source. If you read last few
issues of their daisy plannet you can see it. More and more software
products based on open source are coming out including free amis player,
and
right now there is also free tool for compleete daisy book producing
called
Obi. The best think so far is that daisy took leadership in giving
support
for the standardization of epub format as new ebook standards which is
becoming more and more popular every day and included in the hardware
products like sony ebook readers etc.

Speaking of nvda, i think that i'm very boring when i talk to people all
the
time about nvda and its good improvement, but i can't help my self :)
Personally, if nvda would have good support for some of the multitracking
software for musicinas, and if the support for ms office or open office
would be better, i would really use nvda all the time as my main screen
reader. But, i hope that it will change quite soon when the display hooks
come when when we are going to be able to create custom scripts for it.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Trenton Matthews" <trenton.tmantv@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 1:01 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA, Now The Screen Reader Of Choice?



I put a question mark there, for those of you who are other screen
readers to share your oppinions here.

Unless you folks really want me to list every, single, detailed Jaws
11 beta feature available on this list, here's the link to the entire
article with its beta download links:

http://www.freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-public-beta.asp


Now let me tell ya something folks, I've talked to over 10 people I
know personally who are users of Jaws 9, Jaws 10, and are not willing
to upgrade do to what Freedom has now done.

Changing keystrokes around that have been the same for I don't know
how long to work with a certain new feature they have added, adding
small bits of bug fixes that they should have made in Jaws 10, and how
many folks are gonna use this "Research" feature.
Don't they know you can easily look up sports scores, articles, etc.,
just by searching for it?

Now yes, Window-Eyes does have a script out there to let you do the
same thing, but its "optional."
Again, "optional!"
If you want to use the feature, use it! If you don't want the feature,
don't install it!

You a Jaws user? You can't do anything about it!
Sure you don't have to use the feature, but now you have a new
keystroke for the "virtual view" function, and well? How many folks
are wanting to learn a new keystorke?

And to mention something else here, you know why the Freedom
Scientific company has decided to make their FS-Reader "free," even
for demo Jaws users?
Its because Freedom is going down in the market!

I don't expect NVDA in the future to have a tandom feature, or a
research feature, or even a tell what version of internet explorer you
are currently running feature.

I understand why NVDA is going the open source route, and that's the
smartest thing anyone for Windows has ever done.
One day, just like with Window-Eyes NVDA can use JAVA without the
access bridge like in Window-Eyes, where video hooks can be there and
almost every application in the world can be accesible.
That's what Serotek has been doing for years, and it'd be awesome! if
Serotek and the NVDA tea could team up like they did with creating
that SAPI 4 driver long ago.
The power to have a screen reader on a pen drive where you don't need
a video intercept driver to be installed by some admin at your work
place or school.
The power to have a screen reader, that can actually work with
Seamonkey/Firefox's Chatzilla client to visit I R C networks and chat
real time on them.
The power to have a screen reader, to work with Facebook, and Twitter,
and an app for Twitter "Qwitter," although using SAPI, it gets along
with NVDA nicely.
Although Miranda is the best way for messenging for NVDA users at this
time, Windows Live is getting close to being perfect with its ease of
usage and NVDA is the only screen reader that works with the sounds
panel in Windows live messenger.
Yahoo Messenger 10 I hope works with NVDA soon, and the same with AIM
7 with XP, which works nicely with NVDA on Vista and later.
Keep in mind, accessibility is best in Vista and later.

And finally, the power of a screen reader, to have all these features,
and be totall, 100 percent, free?
The more I tell about NVDA, the more I'm proud of it. The more I'm
proud of it, the more excited I am. And the more excited I am, the
more people I want to join this list!

Ok, so the NVDA Nation thing didn't go as well as I hoped, therefore,
we got this one, the original NVDA community!

Thank you all for reading, comments welcomed, good or bad!
The T Man is out of here!
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