[nvda] Re: Menus announced as collapsed

Yes, I've just done the experiment with Win XP Home SP2, and it's saying Start menu if I use the Start Menu option, and "Application menu" if I change it to Classic. Must admit I'm not worried either way. How NVDA announces things is fine by me. We'll be back to bang for excalmation next. Really doesn't matter! 

Vince.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Gaff" <bglists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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I think you just confirmed what I was trying to say in my post about which style of menu the person was using. 



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----- Original Message ----- From: "James Teh" <jamie@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:57 PM
Subject: [nvda] Re: Menus announced as collapsed



Mike Reiser wrote:
> Narrator and

pretty much every other reader accept for jaws under vista announces the
start menu as start menu, NVDA announces it as application menu. Why is
NVDA calling the start menu the application menu if it's really the
start menu?
MSAA exposes the start menu to us as a menu with the name "Application". For a long time, I didn't understand this at all. However, I've recently discovered a possible explanation for this. If you use the old "classic" start menu, you will note that entering the start menu speaks "Application menu". If you switch to the new style start menu, you will hear "Start Menu pane". If you press enter on the "All Programs" item, which takes you into the classic start menu, then move the navigator to the parent item with NVDA+numpad8, you will land on the "Application menu". (NVDA does try to say "Application menu" when you hit enter on "All programs", but it gets silenced because the first menu item gets focused.) So, the practical upshot of all this is that the old classic portion of the start menu is called the "Application" menu. If you use the classic start menu, this is all you see, hence the announcement of "Application menu".
Assuming we can figure out a way to change this, this poses somewhat of a problem, as there are now two items named "start menu". If we change it for one case, it'll probably change for both. Remember that the object navigator will speak whatever name we give this. 

Jamie

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