[nvda] Re: Just sharing a feel good experience with NVDA/keyboards are not just for us blind guys...
- From: burt henry <burt1iband@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:29:59 -0600
I have found that it is the casual to moderate user that is a mouse only user. A high percentage, probably a majority of "power-users"/I'm sick of power this and power that,... but...work with keyboard short cuts when ever they can/in so many cases this is a much faster way to work. The moral of this is once again we find small silver linings in the clouds of blindness. There are cases where the mouse saves time, like copying or performing the same task on a group of files that are not in a contiguous list, but the big slow down for us is in imputing to our brains. Braille, and voice are much slower than reading and seeing color changes, flashes, ` out of the corner of the eye.... We can only touch a few square C Cs at a time, and we can at best listen to txt in one window or tab at a time. At least I started learning how to be blind as a kid/I admire folks my age,(like you guys) that get it together in spite of going blind later in life.
Thanks For sharing. B.H.probably a majority of "power" comp users/pros use keyboard shortcuts when possible, as they save time in many cases.
On 10/29/2009 3:03 chela, ron nuttall wrote:
Hi DaveJust incase you think no ones listening, it was good to hear your feel good factor story, as i myself have been suffering a lot of feel bad factors of late trying to use my computer. Having read some of your messages, i'd like to make what i hope you'll take as a well ment sugestion. you sound to me as though you're an experenced computer user, but not too happy about using keyboard commands, prefering instead to use the mouse because its what you're familia with and ofcourse you can still see the pointer on the screen. Depending on the rate of your sight loss, there may come a time when you may need to use the keyboard - so why not practice using keyboard commands while you can still see the effect they have on the screen.This well ment sugestion is born of my own experence.I started computing two years ago this month at the landmark age of 50, and as a totally blind person, one of the biggest frustrations was the constant floundering about in no mans land, due to not knowing what was happening on screen. As is often the case with these things, i slowly eeked my way up the very steap learning curve - i think i might have got off the bottom rung by now, but only just, at least thats how it feels at times. Still, we keep going, and i'm still hanging on in their, giving it my best shot.As far as i'm concerned, keep thoughs feel good factors comming. Good luck and best wishes - Ron ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Dave Mack <mailto:dcmack2@xxxxxxxxxxx> *To:* nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *Sent:* Thursday, October 29, 2009 7:55 PM *Subject:* [nvda] Just sharing a feel good experience with NVDA Hi, again, folks, Grandpa Dave in California, here - I have hesitated sharing a recent experience I had using NVDA because I know this list is primarily for purposes of reporting bugs and fixes using NVDA. However, since this is the first community of blind and visually-impaired users I have joined since losing my ability to read the screen visually, I have decided to go ahead and share this feel-good experience where my vision loss has turned out to be an asset for a group of sighted folks. A while ago, a list member shared their experience helping a sighted friend whose monitor had gone blank by fixing the problem using NVDA on a pen drive so I decided to go ahead and share this experience as well - though not involving a pen drive but most definitely involving my NVDA screenreader. Well, I just had a great experience using NVDA to help some sighted folks where I used to work and where I retired from ten years ago. I got a phone call from the current president of the local Federal labor union I belonged to and she explained that the new union treasurer was having a problem updating their large membership database with changes in the union's payroll deductions that they needed to forward to the agency's central payroll for processing. She said they had been working off-and-on for almost three weeks and no one could resolve the problem even though they were following the payroll change instructions I had left on the computer back in the days I had written their database as an amateur programmer. I was shocked to hear they were still using my membership database program as I had written it almost three decades ago! I told her I didn't remember much abouthe dBase programming language but I asked her to email me the original instructions I had left on the computer and a copy of the input commands they were keying into the computer. I told her I was now visually impaired, but was learning to use the NVDA screen reader and would do my best to help. She said even several of the Agency's programmers were stumped but they did not know the dBase program language. A half hour later I received two email attachments, one containing my thirty-year-old instructions and another containing the commands they were manually keying into their old pre-Windows computer, still being used by the union's treasurer once-a-month for payroll deduction purposes. Well, as soon as I brought up the two documents and listened to a comparison using NVDA, I heard a difference between what they were entering and what my instructions had been. They were leaving out some "dots, or periods, which should be included in their input strings into the computer. I called the Union's current president back within minutes of receiving the email. Everyone was shocked and said they could not see the dots or periods. I told them to remember they were probably still using a thirty-year-old low resolution computer monitor and old dot-matrix printer which were making the dots or periods appear to be part of letters they were situated between. Later in the day I got a called back from the Local President saying I had definitely identified the problem and thanking me profusely and said she was telling everyone I had found the cause of the problem by listening to errors non of the sighted folks had been able to see . And, yes, they were going to upgrade their computer system now after all these many years. (laughing) I told her to remember this experience the next timeanyone makes a wisecrack about folks with so-called impairments. She said it was a good lesson for all. Then she admitted that thereason they had not contacted me sooner was that they had heard through the grapevine that I was now legally blind and everyone assumed I would not be able to be of assistance. What a a mistakeand waste of time that ignorant assumption was, she confessed. Well, that's my feel good story, but, then, it's probably old hatfor many of you. I just wanted to share it as it was my first experience teaching a little lesson to sighted people in my own small way. with the help of NVDA. - Grandpa Dave in California
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