[nvda] Re: Jart and screen-readers

This sounds right to me, and I believe Goldwave uses some kind of detection as well, but does not specifically say its screenreader mode, though I wondered if it might be the actual programming tool used to create these applications which can add a routine to detect screenreaders and act accordingly.
I wonder if its merely that those having problems are not running the reader when they start Jarte? 

Brian
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@xxxxxxxxx> 
To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 5:21 AM
Subject: [nvda] Jart and screen-readers
I didn't keep any of the messages in the original thread about Jarte. Here, in a new thread, is what I've found out. I'm running XP.
If you run JART with no screen-reader, it does not go into screen-reader mode. Try running Jarte with no screen-reader, then running a screen-reader. Screen-reader Mode is not used. It must detecth the presence of a screen-reader when Jarte is run. Running a screen-reader after Jarte has been started does not cause screen-reader mode to be used. Menus will be read with JAWS but not with NVDA or Narrator. I assume Window-eyes will read menus as well, but I haven't checked. A view menu is available. No view menu is available when Jarte runs in screen-reader mode. Screen-reader moe probably sends information through html that is not available when screen-reader moade is not being used. It also removes the view menu and forces Jarte to use one specific unchangeable view when screen-reader mode is used. If you share Jarte with a sighted user, the sighted user will see, every time after screen-reader mode is used, that the program opens with a specific view. All the sighted users view settings will be lost.
There is no conflict between the video intercept and Jarte. Vista doesn't use a video intercept. And, in the case of XP, the old video intercept discussed earlier today was probably not the industry standard. A long time ago, when XP was first out, no standardized intercept was available. The nonstandardized intercepts could cause problems with this or that program. I haven't heard of one problem caused by the standardized intercept in all the years it has been in use. I don't know why Jarte doesn't know a screen-reader is present and does not go into screen-reader mode when some users run the program. Unload Jarte and run it again if this happens and see what happens. Also, are those having the problem using XP or Vista or Windows 7. Also, whatever Jarte looks for to tell it when a screen-reader is present, it fails to find when using thunder, at least the older version of Thunder on my machine. At this point, we don't know if Jarte is programmed to look for a specific file for each specific screen-reader it recognizes or something more generic in most screen-readers. Whatever the case and whatever the cause, the problem appears to be that, at least on some systems, Jarte is not aware a screen-reader is running when it is run. 

Gene
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