[nvda] Jart and screen-readers
- From: "Gene" <gsasner@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 23:21:15 -0600
I didn't keep any of the messages in the original thread about Jarte. Here,
in a new thread, is what I've found out. I'm running XP.
If you run JART with no screen-reader, it does not go into screen-reader
mode. Try running Jarte with no screen-reader, then running a
screen-reader. Screen-reader Mode is not used. It must detecth the
presence of a screen-reader when Jarte is run. Running a screen-reader
after Jarte has been started does not cause screen-reader mode to be used.
Menus will be read with JAWS but not with NVDA or Narrator. I assume
Window-eyes will read menus as well, but I haven't checked. A view menu is
available. No view menu is available when Jarte runs in screen-reader mode.
Screen-reader moe probably sends information through html that is not
available when screen-reader moade is not being used. It also removes the
view menu and forces Jarte to use one specific unchangeable view when
screen-reader mode is used. If you share Jarte with a sighted user, the
sighted user will see, every time after screen-reader mode is used, that the
program opens with a specific view. All the sighted users view settings
will be lost.
There is no conflict between the video intercept and Jarte. Vista doesn't
use a video intercept. And, in the case of XP, the old video intercept
discussed earlier today was probably not the industry standard. A long time
ago, when XP was first out, no standardized intercept was available. The
nonstandardized intercepts could cause problems with this or that program. I
haven't heard of one problem caused by the standardized intercept in all the
years it has been in use. I don't know why Jarte doesn't know a
screen-reader is present and does not go into screen-reader mode when some
users run the program. Unload Jarte and run it again if this happens and
see what happens. Also, are those having the problem using XP or Vista or
Windows 7. Also, whatever Jarte looks for to tell it when a screen-reader
is present, it fails to find when using thunder, at least the older version
of Thunder on my machine. At this point, we don't know if Jarte is
programmed to look for a specific file for each specific screen-reader it
recognizes or something more generic in most screen-readers. Whatever the
case and whatever the cause, the problem appears to be that, at least on
some systems, Jarte is not aware a screen-reader is running when it is run.
Gene
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