[nvda] Re: HTML support

hi nvda plus space does this function.> From: gsasner@xxxxxxxxx> To: 
nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [nvda] Re: HTML support> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 
11:35:07 -0600> > Based on your last description, I understand why you are 
having a problem. > The buffers are being redesigned and I don't know if the 
problem will exist > in future releases. Here is the cause of the problem:> 
When you open Google, scripting on the page automatically moves you to the > 
edit field. At that point, the virtual buffer is automatically turned off > by 
NVDA. You hear something like virtual pass-through off. I'd have to > check to 
see just what you hear but NFVDA is telling you that the buffer is > off. 
Therefore, when you type f to move to the next field, you are actually > typing 
the letter f into the Google edit field, as you will see if you use > the read 
current line command. As far as I know, once the buffer is off, > there is no 
NVDA command to turn it on. The only way I know to do this is > to tab or shift 
tab to a place on the page where no input field exists. If > you move to a 
link, for example, the buffer will automatically be turned on. > This is very 
bad design and I hope the developers seriously consider > changing it. First, 
should the buffer automatically be turned off when an > input field is 
encountered? My answer is absolutely not. There are two > related reasons for 
this. First, filling out forms is something lots of > blind Internet users have 
problems with. If they had good training or used > good tutorials, this 
wouldn't be a problem. the mistake most blind people > make is to go into forms 
mode, or it's equivalent and just tab through one > field after another. 
However, lots of blind people like to look through > forms before filling them 
out. Having the virtual buffer automatically turn > off makes this very 
difficult. You can't just down arrow through a form or > use read to end to 
read it to see how it is organized and what is asked for > and forms often have 
information between fields that people should know > about and be able to read 
while looking through a form. Just tabbing > through a form is a perfect way to 
have problems filling it out. Yet, this > completely incorrect method is used 
by loads of blind people who then > complain constantly about forms not being 
accessible. A blind person may > wish to look through a form before filling it 
out or the person may wish to > do what I do, which I believe is vastly 
superior for those reasonably > experienced at filling out forms. I down arrow 
through forms without > bothering to first look through the form, at least 
that's what I do in most > cases. Down arrowing and taking actions where 
appropriate, allows me to > understand and fill out the form in the most 
accurate and efficient manner. > I use forms mode or its equivalent where 
necessary to enter information, > then return to the virtual pc cursor or 
equivalent and continue to down > arrow through the form. NVDA, as currently 
designed, appears to assume that > staying in the buffer bypass mode is 
desirable when filling out forms and > automatically does this when a field is 
encountered. This makes it so > inconvenient to fill out forms in any way other 
than just tabbing through > fields that it almost makes it mandatory that blind 
users fill out forms in > the most inaccurate and prone to difficulty manner 
possible, just tabbing > through the fields. This design should be carefully 
reconsidered and > redesigned. It should never happen that the user is 
automatically placed in > pass-through mode. Some action should be required to 
take this action and a > command should be available to take you out of 
pass-through mode whenever > desired.> > Gene > > To post messages to the list 
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