[nvda] Fine Reader 7 and Omnipage 12 was Re: Re: nvda and OCR software

With fine reader ver 7 at home and Omnipage 12 at my workplace, NVDA prooves very helpful.
In both programs, interesting to say, the status line is appropiately read with the insert+ end keystroke combination (in some other applications it cannot find any status bar).
Ican move easily between windows and upwards/downwards through the batch list by means of the intermediate key arrows. 

I use the ascending tones to guide myself during scanning and recognition.
In short, the NVDA-trunk_snapshot_r1229, does well with omnipage 12 and Finereader 7.
Tomorrow I will test the latest trunk release, hoping it works the same or better for those two OCR programs. 

Yours,

Jimmy
Lima
Perú
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@xxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 8:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] Re: nvda and OCR software
You can scan as much text as you want. I haven't used the version of Fine Reader that comes with my scanner to be sure if there is a better way to do this but if you scan one page, you can then copy it to the clipboard, paste into Notepad or a Word processor, scan another page, paste it into Notepad or a word processor where it will be added to the previous text etc. Though my version has an item relating to batch scanning and recognition, from the little I've played with it, I haven't gotten it to scan and append pages to the document in the Fine Reader window. I don't use batch scanning with this version of Fine Reader. The version I have is version 5.x.
While the method I have described is more cumbersome than using a program like Openbook or Kurzweil, where pages are automatically appended when you scan and have OCR performed, it enables scanning documents of any length. Once you know the short cut keys used in scanning and recognition, this is not a difficult procedure. I've tried scanning directly into Microsoft Word with the version of Fine Reader I have but this wasn't done properly by the program. Whether others have had different results, I don't know. I am reporting my results and one person's results in a case like this can't be generalized. 

Gene
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy" <dosdeoros64@xxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 4:56 PM
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Hi:
I'm using a Genius Colour Page vivid 4X that comes bundled with Fine reader 4 Sprint.
According to my experience, he OCR results are good as Gene points,although only for short textsI believe ,as batches are not supported. 
Hope this helps,

Jimmy
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@xxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 5:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Re: nvda and OCR software
Yes, a program like the version of Fine Reader that comes with Epson Perfection scanners does not have all the features of the full version. But I wouldn't consider it to be all that limited in terms of how lots of people want to use OCR. Automatic page orientation is offered, gray scale scanning is supported, automatic decolumnization of columns is performed and the recognition is almost as good as the later versions of Fine Reader. Yes, there are inconveniences and things you can't do as easily but the program is certainly very adequate for how a large number of blind users would use it. 

Gene
----- Original Message ----- From: "Alf" <mario.percinic@xxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 8:48 AM
Subject: [nvda] Re: nvda and OCR software



Hey.
I know that you need scanner in order to even scann something and that OCr software comes with scanner, but those are just lite versions which have just a few of the features which that commercial product does. That's why i was asking if there is some full free OCR software accessible for nvda. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@xxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 5:27 PM
Subject: [nvda] Re: nvda and OCR software
I am simply saying that wherever you are in the world, you need a scanner. Informing people in various parts of the world about which scanners provide free OCR software is a much more effective and constructive solution than using open source software which is not nearly as capable. I make no further assumptions. If someone already has a scanner and needs to use the open source software, then it's good that it exists and that they can use it. But I am now discussing how those who want to use OCR software and do not yet own scanners can avoid this problem. The original question simply asked about free OCR software. I gave my opinion about the program under discussion. I didn't know why the person was asking. I didn't know what specific underlying issues led him to ask about such programs. I answered the question. Before you continue to indulge in your fantasy that I am unaware that people can't afford software, ask yourself the following question: Why am I on this list? I am interested in NVDA because I know that many people can't afford for profit screen-readers. Here again, if you want to continue the discussion, it would be nice if you did so without resorting to direct and indirect criticism of the type you are so eager to engage in. I have no desire to clutter the list with arguments between you and me. If substantive points are raised by you and others regarding OCR software, I'll continue the discussion. I have no interest in debating whether I am an insensitive rich American who has no concern about others' needs. I wouldn't be on this list if that were the case. I've said all I am going to say regarding my concern or lack thereof. It is not relevant to this list. I expect that most people on the list are capable of buying scanners. Since I had no way to know why the person was asking the question, I answered in that context. Now that I know the context is not what I thought, as I said I would respond differently. No context was provided in the original question. 

Gene
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