[nvda-translations] Re: wxpython localization
- From: "DINAKAR T.D." <td.dinkar@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: Mesar Hameed <mesar.hameed@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 20:09:37 +0530
Dear Team,
Yes. We should provide language updates for wxpython.
I am using eSpeak synthesizer. At present, eSpeak is the only
synthesizer that provides support for Tamil.
Regards,
DINAKAR
On 19/09/2011, Mesar Hameed <mesar.hameed@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> dear Team, please read,
>
> Dear Dinakar,
>
> On Sat 17/09/11,11:39, DINAKAR T.D. wrote:
>> Dear Mesar,
>>
>> The nvda.mo file is now working fine. It's great!
>>
>> Three aspects I would like to highlight:
>>
>> 1. In Hindi (hi) interface, the OK, Cancel buttons are spoken in
>> Hindi. Then why it could not be done for Tamil and other languages?
>
> This is because wxpython, the toolkit that nvda uses for making buttons and
> other graphical interface elements has a translation for Hindi, but has no
> translation for Tamil.
> We have the same problem for Arabic.
>
> Do you and others feel that we should find and submit updates for
> wxpython translations?
>
> I dont know, does yes, no, ok, cancel show in english for other
> languages (Finnish, Polish, Turkish)?
>
>> 2. There is no English string in nvda.po file for "not checked".
>> Therefore, while speaking the state of check boxes, the state of
>> "checked" is spoken properly. But, the state of "not checked" is not
>> spoken correctly. The Tamil string for "not checked" is
>> "தேர்வாகவில்லை". But it is spoken as "இல்லை தேர்வாகியுள்ளது".
>
> This is probably because we have a string
> msgid "not %s"
> and the word "checked" is substituted instead of %s.
> for english it is ok, but it seems for Tamil it is not.
>
> Do we have the same problem for Arabic, Finnish, Polish, Turkish?
>
>> 3. While typin using the Tamil interface, the English capital letters
>> are not spoken.
>
> I don't have any idea why this should happen, I don't have this problem
> here when i switch to Tamil interface.
> Maybe it is your synth?
>
> Are you using espeak or some other synth?
> Maybe ask on the dev list to see if anyone else has the same problem.
>
>> What can be done for the above.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> DINAKAR
>>
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Mesar
>> On 16/09/2011, Mesar Hameed <mesar.hameed@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > Hi Dinakar,
>> >
>> > On Fri 16/09/11,07:15, DINAKAR T.D. wrote:
>> >> Dear Mesar,
>> >>
>> >> I could not locate the log file. What is the file name?
>> >
>> > nvda.log
>> > probably in c:\program files\nvda\nvda.log
>> >
>> >> I tried to restart NVDA after removing the nvda.mo file. It works.
>> >> But, the log viewer does show only the recent entry. No error
>> >> message is found. I am attaching the text file containing the entry.
>> >
>> > I ran it here with Tamil, and i see the errors.
>> > In some places you forgot that things in braces should not be
>> > translated:
>> >
>> > It should be like this.
>> >
>> > #: versionInfo.py:42
>> > msgid "Copyright (C) {years} NVDA Contributors"
>> > msgstr "காப்புரிமை (C) {years} என்விடிஏ பங்களிப்பாளர்கள்"
>> >
>> > and:
>> >
>> > #: speech.py:958
>> > msgid "on {backgroundColor}"
>> > msgstr "இயக்கம் {பின்னணி நிறம்}"
>> >
>> > it should be:
>> >
>> > #: speech.py:958
>> > msgid "on {backgroundColor}"
>> > msgstr "இயக்கம் {backgroundColor்}"
>> >
>> > I have corrected these two, can you please check again, because nvda
>> > will not crash until it needs the string, so it is important that we
>> > find them all and correct them, otherwise the program will just crash
>> > and we dont know why.
>> >
>> > I have committed these two changes, and attached is the new mo file.
>> > please try again, it seems to work ok here, but i cant read Tamil :)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> The Tamil text in langstrings_ta file is not appearing normally and
>> >> is gibberish. May be that my system is not supporting TSCII. I also
>> >> had some time to browse on this subject and find that TSCII is the
>> >> predecessor of unicode.These days TSCII is not being used and all
>> >> efforts are being taken to standardise all Tamil text to unicode.
>> >> Will this information be useful?
>> >
>> >
>> > The problem is that the nsis installer that NVDA uses is not unicode,
>> > and therefore we need to have the langstrings.txt in the native
>> > codepage, tscii.
>> > It doesn't look like nsis (the installer supports Tamil i am afraid.
>> > You are welcome to ask Peter to see if he has any suggestions.
>> >
>> > Anyway, not next release but in the near term we will move to a new
>> > installer which will be working from unicode, so if the problem is not
>> > fixed by Peter, we will be able to fix it then.
>> >
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> DINAKAR
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 15/09/2011 11:03 PM, Mesar Hameed wrote:
>> >> >Dear Dinakar,
>> >> >On Thu 15/09/11,21:12, DINAKAR T.D. wrote:
>> >> >> Dear Mesar,
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Thank you for sending me the fully-converted nvda.po utf8 file.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Now, the Tamil characters are appearing normally in PoEdit. I
>> >> >>compiled the nvda.mo file successfully.
>> >> >I'm glad that it works normally now.
>> >> >
>> >> >>I copied the file into "LC_MESSAGES" and restarted NVDA. I find that
>> >> >>the Tamil language is displayed in the interface language list
>> >> >>(NVDA+CTRL+g). When I pressed enter on Tamil, the normal dialog
>> >> >>asking me to press enter to save configuration and reload NVDA
>> >> >>appeared in Tamil!
>> >> >>
>> >> >>When I pressed, NVDA shutdown, but NVDA did not restart and only the
>> >> >>restart sound can be heared. Windows is raising the 'error' sound.
>> >> >>There is no display on the screen.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>What's the problem?
>> >> >Please attach the nvda.log and maybe we can see what it is. nvda.log
>> >> > is
>> >> >in the same place where you installed nvda it will be next to nvda.exe
>> >> >
>> >> >>Further, I am not aware of any information regarding the Tamil code.
>> >> >>We should be asking Mr. James Teh.
>> >> >I had some more time to look on the internet, and this page on
>> >> > wikipedia
>> >> >[1] suggests that you use something called TSCII, and I have converted
>> >> >the langstrings_ta.txt to this, and attached it to this email, can you
>> >> >please open it and see if it shows Tamil text? If so then we found the
>> >> >right encoding.
>> >> >
>> >> >>Thanks,
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>DINAKAR
>> >> >[1]:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_Script_Code_for_Information_Interchange
>> >> >
>> >> >Best wishes,
>> >> >
>> >> >Mesar
>> >> >
>> >
>> >> INFO - nvda (07:00:48):
>> >> Starting NVDA
>> >> INFO - core.main (07:00:48):
>> >> Config dir: C:\Users\Dinakaran\AppData\Roaming\nvda
>> >> INFO - core.main (07:00:48):
>> >> NVDA version 2011.2
>> >> INFO - core.main (07:00:48):
>> >> Using Windows version sys.getwindowsversion(major=6, minor=1,
>> >> build=7601,
>> >> platform=2, service_pack='Service Pack 1')
>> >> INFO - core.main (07:00:48):
>> >> Using Python version 2.7.2 (default, Jun 12 2011, 15:08:59) [MSC v.1500
>> >> 32
>> >> bit (Intel)]
>> >> INFO - core.main (07:00:48):
>> >> Using comtypes version 0.6.2
>> >> INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (07:00:49):
>> >> Loaded synthDriver sapi5
>> >> INFO - core.main (07:00:49):
>> >> Using wx version 2.8.11.0 (msw-unicode)
>> >> INFO - braille.initialize (07:00:49):
>> >> Using liblouis version 2.3.0
>> >> INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (07:00:49):
>> >> Loaded braille display driver noBraille
>> >> INFO - core.main (07:00:51):
>> >> NVDA initialized
>> >
>> >
>
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