[net-gold] Re: Behavior and / or Cognition - ERRATUM
- From: "David P. Dillard" <jwne@xxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 05:05:02 -0500 (EST)
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Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 19:49:58 -0800
From: Richard Hake <rrhake@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: [Net-Gold] Re: Behavior and/or cognition - ERRATUM
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In my post Re: Behavior and/or cognition Hake (2012) I wrote the
attribution of the two quotes was inadvertently *reversed*! I SHOULD
have written:
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PhysLnR's Diana Kornbrot (2012) in her post "Re: Behavior and/or
cognition" wrote (my CAPS):
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"Behaviourism, a la Skinner, questions the usefulness of inferred
mental states as an explanatory concept - THIS HAS PROVED A DEAD-END.
Skinner's theory also relies heavily on associationism at a low level
[bottom up], for example that language learning can be explained by
simple sound-action/event reinforcements. His stance is strongly
nurture rather than nature"
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To which Bud Nye (2012) replied [bracketed by lines "NNNN. . . . ";
so as to avoid quotes within quotes " '.....' " and indicate who
wrote what (in contrast to the confusing mix of unattributed
statements in the Nye/Kornbrot exchanges):
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. . . you state that "Behaviourism, a la Skinner, questions the
usefulness of inferred mental states as an explanatory concept-this
has proved a dead-end." But, behavioral treatments have a strong,
extremely well documented history of effectiveness in psychotherapy
and learning. The applied behavior analysis research support of
behavioral methods is massive, of extremely high quality, and
compelling. The new field of behavioral economics. . . . .[[
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_economics>]]. . . . has
established many new and important, often surprising principles
regarding economics. Indeed, because of its effectiveness, our legal
system has imposed many strong regulations on behavioral treatments.
Given these things, I wonder what you mean when you claim that
behaviorism "has proved a dead end". Why would we go to the trouble
of carefully regulating a "dead end"? How could a "dead end" lead to
new, highly productive areas of scientific research?
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Skinner made many contributions and his work on operant conditioning
is invaluable and makes a strong contributions to this day. CBT, as
you rightly point out is one of those strong contributions. . . .
.[[CBT = Cognitive Behavioral Therapy
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_behavioral_therapy>]]. . . .
Indeed PER CAN LEARN A LOT FROM OPERANT CONDITIONING. . . . .[[my
CAPS]]. . . . since rote learning also has a part to play in learning
complex ideas. BUT the 'responses' that are being reinforced are not
merely physical. They may well be verbal responses about the client's
mental state
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Sorry for the confusion.
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Richard Hake, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Indiana University
Honorary Member, Curmudgeon Lodge of Deventer, The Netherlands
President, PEdants for Definitive Academic References
which Recognize the Invention of the Internet (PEDARRII)
<rrhake@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Links to Articles: <http://bit.ly/a6M5y0>
Links to SDI Labs: <http://bit.ly/9nGd3M>
Blog: <http://bit.ly/9yGsXh>
Academia: <http://iub.academia.edu/RichardHake>
Twitter <https://twitter.com/#!/rrhake>
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REFERENCES [All URL's shortened by <http://bit.ly/> and accessed on
07 March 2012.]
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Hake, R.R. 2012"Re: Behavior and/or cognition, online on the OPEN!
AERA-L archives at <http://bit.ly/yblex9>. Post of 7 Mar 2012
10:10:53 -0800 to AERA-L and Net-Gold. Also transmited to PhysLrnR
and SClistserv on 7 Mar 2012 09:22:48-0800. Unfortunately, the
PhysLrnR archives are CLOSED! :-( and the SClistserv archives fail
to hot-link the URL's :-(. Neither of these deficiencies occur in the
AERA-L archives,
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Kornbrot, D. 2012a. "Re: Behavior and/or cognition," on the CLOSED!
:-( PhysLrnR archives at <http://bit.ly/xNbzed>. Post of 5 Mar 2012
09:02:41+0000 to PhysLrnR.
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Nye, B. 2012. "Re: Behavior and/or cognition," on the CLOSED!
PhysLrnR archives at <http://bit.ly/xDEuyv>. Post of 5 Mar 2012
09:48:44-0800 to PhysLrnR. To access the archives of PhysLnR one
needs to subscribe :-(, but that takes only a few minutes by clicking
on <http://bit.ly/nG318r> and then clicking on "Join or Leave
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