[muglo] Re: classic printing?

Hi Alex, I would strongly suggest you do a little research on the web. I 
typed in "OS X serial printing to imagewriter ii" into Hotline's little 
"Search the web" thingy and pulled up a number of relevant sites.

This one is perhaps most useful: 
<http://www.linuxprinting.org/macosx/imagewriter/>

Package notes:

imagewriter 1.2  January 28, 2003
The current ImageWriter driver supports printing via AppleTalk to an 
AppleTalk-enabled ImageWriter II or ImageWriter LQ, and printing via a 
supported serial port to all three models of Apple ImageWriter. Currently 
only Keyspan USB-to-serial adapters offer fully supported serial ports. This 
driver does not support color printing. (3 supported printers).

To begin printing to your ImageWriter from Mac OS X Jaguar just follow the 
easy instructions below.

<snip>

Additionally, if you are using a Keyspan USB-to-serial adapter make sure 
that you have installed the latest version of the Keyspan serial port 
software (version 1.4 or later).

<snip>

The install requires 75 KB and includes the CUPS serial backend for Mac OS X 
Jaguar, the cups-o-matic CUPS filter, and foomatic PPD files to support 3 
printers.

Set Up Instructions
In general, deleting an existing printer queue is much easier than creating 
a new, correctly configured queue. In that regard, this installer will 
attempt to automatically create printer queues for all of the available 
serial ports that it discovers (which is why you should plug in any 
USB-to-serial adapters before continuing). If your Mac has any compatible 
serial ports you may end up with several unnecessary queues. To remove any 
unnecessary queue from the printer list simply select the queue within the 
printer list window in Print Center and delete it.

If you ever delete an automatically created queue, and then later wish that 
you hadn't, simply run the installer again to recreate it (be sure to first 
connect any required USB-to-serial hardware). It is safe to run the 
installer as many times as you wish, although you should not run it while 
you have jobs printing. Running the installer multiple times will not 
install multiple copies of any files.

If you need to create a new serial printing queue with special settings you 
may find the CUPS web admin to be the easiest method of setup.

Printing via AppleTalk:
If your ImageWriter II or ImageWriter LQ supports AppleTalk (via the 
optional AppleTalk accessory card) you can print over a network. To print 
via AppleTalk from Mac OS X Jaguar you will need to use some type of 
LocalTalk converter, such as a hardware Ethernet-to-LocalTalk bridge, or an 
old ethernet-equipped Power Mac running the Apple LocalTalk bridge software.

Regardless of your LocalTalk conversion method, this installer will create a 
printer queue for each AppleTalk-enabled ImageWriter that is visible on the 
network during installation. As with the serial printer queues, if you do 
not need any of the automatically created queues, simply delete them from 
Print Center.


>10.2.6 on a B&W. I decided I liked OSX so much I'd get a real G3,
>instead of my clone tower upgrade. But I guess I should have done all
>of this periph stuff BF getting a real G3. Anyway, I purchased a
>stealth geethree serial port, apparently anything you can do with a
>beige g3, you can do with a stealth port, or at least that's what
>they advertize. Apparently not.

AFAIK the Stealth Ports are identical to the Beige G3's built-in ports. 
Apple provides *very little* support for the serial ports (since only the 
first of the G3s actually has them and no one sells RS232 equipment anymore) 
so I wouldn't be surprised with quirky behaviour.

> >Re: AppleTalk 1 -- what it says is exactly what OS X means. Go to 
>"Network
> >Preferences" in "Apple:System Preferences..." and turn off AppleTalk in 
>the
> >"AppleTalk" pane for the relevant interfaces (i.e. ethernet, AirPort, IR,
> >BlueTooth, etc.) there. Classic is allowed to control *nothing* (a damned
> >good thing).
>
>the appletalk thing I figured out, switched back to an os9 boot, and
>see that it is configured via ethernet, so that is why it's getting
>that newtork message when i try to disable it via the chooser. Stupid
>that classic enables it by default, if it cant even be used. Maybe
>theres a way to disable it and turn off auto enable in os9.
>But bc its config'd for ethernet, it doesnt get in the way of my
>serial printing.... so printing in clasic should work... but it doesnt

I would still turn it off -- AppleTalk has always caused OS 9 headaches so 
Classic won't be any different. As for auto turn on/off enable/disable -- 
that is not possible. Classic doesn't actually enable it by default. It 
merely takes its cue from OS X. If OS X has AT turned on (off by default) 
then Classic has it on. To turn off AT in Classic, turn it off in OS X (it 
doesn't really make sense to have it on in one and off in another).

> >Re: Printing from Classic -- it is possible (I do it all the time), and 
>you
> >do not necessarily need the OS X printer setup.  I regularly use Acrobat
> >PDFWriter which has no OS X counterpart.
>
>ok great. So classic should print to an imagewriter II then. Or maybe
>not. Serial. Anyone have that appletalk option for the IW II they
>want to sell?

Check out EBay... While you're at it, look for a LocalTalk to Ethernet 
bridge -- I saw one go for $20 not too long ago.

Ok, ten seconds worth of searching... II/LQ AppleTalk option
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2732252706&category=4608>
14 USD with a BUY IT NOW available on it.

LocalTalk-Ethernet Bridges: in completed items it seems like they're 20-30 
USD. Of course, if you have an old Quadra or the likes sitting around with 
an ethernet port you could set up a software bridge using Apple's 
software...

<http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&query=localtalk+bridge&categoryid=&ht=1&st=2&category2=4599&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&BasicSearch=&from=R2&catref=C3>

>Then I could network it. The problem, I think, is my
>stealth serial port. The os9 driver for it wil not load in classic. I
>have talked to their tech support and they apparently say it wont,
>cant, and thats just the way it is. So much for getting a "real
>serial port". If it was "real", classic would see it.

I'd be surprised if it ever did load. As I've said before, Classic is not 
allowed direct access to hardware. A serial port driver would be such a 
beast.

>I LOVE my IW II!!!  I want it to work!! I'm willing to spend
>countless, possibly useless hours trying to get it to work. I was
>_so_ happy when it started printing in X. Only to be crushed by
>disappointment when it stopped bf finishing.

The fact that it *nearly* printed is promising. Something's going right 
there but now you have to find out what's going wrong.

>I've got to find contact info for the ppl who wrote those drivers...
>maybe there's a fix... otherwise, apparently it will work with some
>usb-serial adapters.
>
>I just wish the IW II would work in classic over serial.

...

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