[muglo] Re: Shutdown

No, I don't have any Norton products installed.
Have used it in the past and had problems with it.
Tim

On 5/9/06, Eric Dunbar <eric.dunbar@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> You are running a Norton product????
>
> Remove it, post haste!!! Norton no longer devotes its resources to the
> Mac side of things so their software is buggy!
>
> After you remove Norton*, remove Speed Tools CD as well.
>
> There's a remote possibility that the two together interact to cause
> problems: <
> http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/macosx10_4_2/topic3699.h=
> tml>
>
> *No one can guarantee you a stable system if you are running a Norton
> product. They made useful software for OS 9 (though, even there there
> were varying opinions... probably depended on whether Norton was able
> to fix your problem or not ;-) but OS X support has fallen by the way
> side.
>
> Nope, never been to the Loose Moose. And, as for the Eaton's Apple
> store. "Been there. Done that. Got the (XL) t-shirt." ;-).
>
> Eric.
>
> On 09/05/06, Tim Kearn <timmer21@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > I think that's it - something that was installed after.
> > The reason being that it shutdown fine after getting it and doing
> updates=
> ,
> > etc.
> > I then noticed it when I added other software.
> > One thing I can think of is a 'Speed Tools' CD that came with a external
> > hard disc I purchased. I installed  the software it but have never used
> i=
> t.
> > That may be the problem - seems to be at the 'root' level like Norton
> doe=
> s
> > (it should up in the Activity Viewer).
> > I'll think I'll try to uninstall it first before doing a fresh install.
> > Tim
> > PS - (OT) - Eric - you live in TO - ever been to the Loose Moose (on
> Fron=
> t
> > Street)? Going there for a Pearl Jam pre-show party today.
> > PSS - have you seen/been in the new Apple Store at the Eaton Centre?
> > On 5/9/06, Eric Dunbar <eric.dunbar@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ok, you've narrowed the field dramatically.
> > >
> > > 1. It's unlikely to be an application.
> > > 2. It's unlikely to be an application that opens when you login (you
> > > confirmed that with your "blank" account and by the fact that you
> > > "hang" when you're shutting down).
> > >
> > > What I would suggest to you now is to do this:
> > > 1. Look at the kernel extensions that are installed. Did you install
> > > anything that adds additional "functionality" to the operating system.
> > > e.g. ANY Norton product (they have for all practical purposes stopped
> > > supporting Mac OS X),
> > > ANY anti-virus software (NEVER EVER run anti-virus software on Macs...
> > > doing so is asking for trouble... viruses don't exist for Macs which
> > > means that these types of software receive very little R&D attention
> > > from companies),
> > > WindowShade/any "haxie"/anything from <
> http://www.unsanity.com/products=
> >
> > >
> > > If you have something like that installed, uninstall it and see if
> > > that corrects the problem.
> > >
> > > 2. Boot your OS X 10.4 DVD and run Disk Utility.
> > >
> > > 3. REFORMAT/ERASE the disk (after backing up important files ;-) and
> > > reinstall the OS for a start fresh.
> > >
> > > Number 3 is the BEST option in your case since you never formatted and
> > > re-installed when you got your computer. Whenever I get a new
> > > computer, the very first thing I do is to format and re-install, even
> > > if the person providing me with the computer did a fresh install of
> > > the OS just before I got it).
> > >
> > > I would recommend against trying to "limp" along with the current
> > > install, even if you fix it -- you're better off starting fresh and
> > > having an install that will be stable and last you until Mac OS X 10.5
> > > comes out than one which will force you to reinstall sometime in the
> > > not-so-distant future.
> > >
> > > Eric.
> > >
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