[muglo] Re: Restarting Beige G3

Susan, I suspect that the issue you were experiencing was 
motherboard/firmware related and it just so happened the keyboard was 
subtly out of the idea specs (but well within tolerances). You wouldn't 
believe the odd problems that I've seen that completely disappear with 
a firmware update or cuda reset.

As far as your issue relating to the Beige's issue, USB and ADB are 
*radically* different standards with radically different hardware, and 
I doubt there is any chance there is any kind of relationship between 
the Beige's issues and your G4's issues. Nevertheless, you certainly 
had an interesting problem which I've enjoyed hearing about.

Galen

On Friday, May 30, 2003, at 07:15 AM, Susan Dunbar wrote:

>  Thanks Galen ...
> In my case it was the mouse and it was happening in both OS 9 and X 
> ... I
> have Apple Care and the poor Apple Canada folk did not have a clue 
> what was
> happening so they sent me two free "meeces" and one free keyboard.
>
> thanks so much for the comments
>
> Susan
>
> Galen wrote: I seriously doubt it's the keyboard. I'm assuming you're
> runningMac OS
> 9 on your beige - correct? I've noticed people often leave their system
> details out which doesn't help. I'm a Mac computer consultant and I've
> been working on Macs from System 6 on up through the latest 10.2.6.
>
> My guess is that OS 9 is freezing and that's all. OS X virtually never
> freezes (mostly depending on your hardware's reliability) and you can
> often visually tell - buttons stop throbbing, etc. If you really want
> the real check if the machine is frozen, try connecting to it through
> the network - connect to a shared disk, print to a shared printer, load
> a Personal Web Server page, etc. If it succeeds, your keyboard is
> freezing somehow (which I doubt). If it fails, your machine is just
> plain frozen, one of the realities of OS 9.
>
> Galen
>
> P.S. If you need to replace your keyboard, I went down to the local Mac
> store around here and they were *giving away* Apple original ADB
> keyboards. I picked up one. Check your local Mac store or Goodwill,
> they'll have them for free/cheap. But, as I said earlier, I doubt it's
> the keyboard.
>
> On Friday, May 30, 2003, at 06:44 AM, Susan Dunbar wrote:
>
>>  FYI
>> I found that I had a problem on my G4 with both my mouse and keyboard.
>>
>> I had my mouse replaced twice and my keyboard once.
>>
>> Hope you still have a warranty or have Apple Care.
>>
>> Just a thought.
>>
>> Susan
>>
>>
>>
>> "Eric D." wrote: on 29/5/03 9:51 PM, Ken at kdavis@xxxxxx wrote:
>>
>>> The keyboard and mouse on my G3 sometimes fail to respond.
>>> (Connections check OK and unplugging and reconecting trackball
>>> doesn't solve). There seems to be only an on/off button on the front
>>> of the tower.
>>>
>>> Is there not a reset button on the G3s? Am I relegated to the
>>> separate operations of shutdown and restart?
>>
>> Beige G3s, two options:
>> 1. reset or programmer buttons are on back (one freezes the computer,
>> the
>> other restarts it);
>>
>> 2. command-control-power should force a hard-restart (same effect as
>> the
>> reset button... it activates the same hardware interrupt).
>>
>> One way to check to see whether your computer is frozen is to type
>> command-option-escape, or command-power. If that brings something up,
>> you
>> know it's just a software crash.
>>
>> PS What do you mean fails to respond?
>>
>> PSS unplugging/plugging in ADB devices does not "reset" them
>> (technically
>> the only ports on a pre-USB machine that are hot-pluggable (i.e.
>> computer
>> shouldn't be turn off) are the serial ports and audio ports).
>>
>> Eric.
>>
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