[muglo] Re: (OT): Re Entourage and Operating Systems

>It''s my experience that most Apple "experts" usually don't count ALL
>of the hangs/crashes that OS 7 - 9xx delivered to them, whereas the
>many of the MS (and remember the community is exponentially larger than

Shudder. OS 7/8 - now those were "stable" OSes. 9 wasn't bad but it 
certainly was nowhere near even OS X 10.0.4 for stability (and, compared to 
OS 10.3 it was a dog)! Apple did a good thing switching to UNIX when it did 
-- they would've undoubtedly died a tragic death had they not been able to 
compete with Windows on an equal footing for OS stability and protected 
memory (having your whole computer go down because of one app was "so 
1980s").

In that regard Windows did _sometimes_ have a leg up on Mac post 1995 and 
until OS X came out. If Windows 95/98/98SE worked (don't count ME since that 
was a miserable fiasco), they worked much better than Mac OS 7/8/9 did. They 
had multi-tasking worth mentioning (even Win 95 at times) and sometimes had 
protected memory that actually worked.

>Windows2000 and OS-X which are about the same age, are both wonderfully
>stable and reliable;  WindowsXP and OSX.2/3 are both improved from
>these as well.

Windows XP HE is quite unstable (at least in my experience). I've seen 
people bring an XP Home Edition system down without even trying (and 
corrupting it/files regularly).

>I'm not looking to start a battle... I like my Mac far better than any
>PC I have, but the MAC community seems to really embellish the
>reliability of their OS in terms of reliability, price, and performance
>over the Windows world and the facts just do not support it.

Macs. PCs. Choose your poison. I can no longer recommend one over the other 
(it used to be Mac). Windows is now quite user friendly (they still have 
some pretty bad design decisions but by-and-large they've caught up to Mac 
in most respects). If something goes wrong you have a far greater range of 
trouble shooting options because there are so many users out there.

BUT, there are far more things to go wrong too. With all the spyware/adware 
out there (and, it seems like every second Windows programme comes with 
them) systems are being compromised and left unstable all the time. You 
wouldn't believe the number of corporate/academic Windows computers I've 
seen in the past three years which had spyware/adware installed on them 
rendering them unstable to the point of requiring a full-fledged reinstall 
(one computer still hasn't been formatted and reinstalled two years later 
despite my advice to do so end of 2001 - and, it still crashes 5-6 x/day and 
the only app worth mentioning that even runs is PowerPoint (Excel, PhotoShop 
and Word are all extremely unstable)).

>On 2004, Aug 09, , at 19:23, Ilbert Walker wrote:
>
>On 9 Aug 2004, at 6:57 PM, Eurogarth wrote:
>
> >> Antiquated? I'm sure this will piss a lot off folks here off, but
> > EVERY MS-OS since 2000 has easily been the equal of of Apple's
> > same-period OS in
> > both performance and reliability, and usually much better on price.

I'll beg to differ on the price. OS X has consistently been *CHEAPER* than 
Windows to purchase, especially given that you're not getting somemthing 
that's insecure and forces you to use one web browser (effectively).

Eric.

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