[muglo] Re: New copyright legislation

  • From: Dave Knight <dave@xxxxxxx>
  • To: muglo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 09:38:41 -0400

Anyone who has the thing to upload must have already downloaded it, and if they 
are advertising that they have 100% of the required pieces it means that they 
have the complete movie and are ripe for indictment.

Web sites which gather torrents typically want to encourage downloaders to be 
more generous with their bandwidth and they do this by imposing ratios, every 
time you download a 1GB movie you must upload back to your peers at least 2GB, 
for example. This means that when you go looking for a popular file there are 
typically many peers who are advertising that they have the whole thing. Even 
if they only maintain that status for a few minutes, if the detection system is 
running 24/7 (and it's a computer, of course it is) they will end up on the 
list.

dave

On 2010-06-04, at 9:30 AM, Wayne Dobson wrote:

> So, they can't track who downloads, just those who upload. But, how did the 
> Hurt Locker team compile the downloader list? Would they do that when the 
> downloaders stayed connected after downloading long enough to seed and be 
> detected?
> 
> On Jun 4, 2010, at 9:18 AM, Dave Knight wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Downloading of copyrighted media like music, video and games is typically 
>> done using p2p (Peer To Peer) protocols like BitTorrent. When using p2p your 
>> client isn't pulling the media from a central server, rather it pulls a list 
>> of the addresses of computers just like yours which contain pieces of the 
>> media you want. Your client then gathers all of the pieces from those and 
>> puts them back together.
>> 
>> The clue was in the middle of that: "a list of the addresses..which contain 
>> pieces of the media"
>> 
>> So, the security company hired by the lawyers who work for Big Media just 
>> need to craft a special client which isn't interested in downloading the 
>> media so much as it is in gathering the addresses of computers offering up 
>> downloads of the copyrighted works.
>> 
>> With such a list they can know which network (company, college campus, ISP, 
>> etc) the address belongs to, but not which individual user, so the next step 
>> is to go subpoena the operator of a network and have him disclose to you 
>> which user was allocated the offending address at the time of the observed 
>> infringement, then go get them.
>> 
> 
> Wayne Dobson
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