[muglo] Re: FireBird nightlies?

>Subject: [muglo] Re: FireBird nightlies?
>Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:30:45 -0500
>
>On 18 Jan 2004, at 4:41 AM, Eric D wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know why the FireBird nightly build now comes up with a
> > full
> > build of Mozilla 1.7a and not FireBird?
> >
> > I have a version of FireBird (0.7a) that is looking very much like
> > Camino
> > (perhaps Camino's writers have shifted projects?). FireBird got rid of
> > the
> > REALLY annoying collapsing toolbars (started with Communicator). The
> > ones
> > where you're left with this silly little line on the top of the window.
> >
>
>I am confused by this and your other reply to Tee re bloated browsers,
>code sizes etc

This is an old post coinciding with the renaming of FireBird to FireFox 
(IIRC). I hadn't found out about the name change at that point so I suspect 
that I followed a link to an out-dated build. Don't know though.

Re: Browser code sizes.I posted those sizes to dubunk Tee's argument that 
Safari + Mail are comparable in size to Netscrash. Firstly, an invalid 
comparison since individual applications always have additional overhead. 
Secondly, it demonstrated that the compiled code was *significantly* smaller 
(using Camino, FireFox as comparisons) for the browser (e-mail isn't an 
interesting comparison since Netscape's e-mailer is second-rate compared 
with Eudora or Entourage).

Now that I think about it, two other *major* advantages that 
Safari/Camino/FireFox/iCab/OmniWeb/Opera(does it still exist?) + an e-mailer 
have over Netscrash is multi-tasking and protected memory. If the browser 
compenent goes down, you don't lost your e-mail and vice-versa. Plus, 
Netscrash/Mozilla integration of e-mail + browser is a hold-over from the 
days of slow computers and limited/non-existent multitasking.

>We now have Mozilla Firebird, Firefox, Camino (also changed from the
>previous name?) browsers. I understand Camino is designed specifically
>for the Mac ? And Firefox ?  Which to use , if any?
>Mozilla seem to be a good crowd with useful websites and support forums
>- better than Safari in this regard?

It's different. Safari has the advantage of a more refined interface with 
stability whilst providing (for me at least) support for _all_ web sites I 
visit. When I want variety and am willing to live dangerously (Camino is 
less stable than Safari per unit-time used), I use Camino. I also like its 
use of contextual dock menus for URLs (even though the dock is a badly 
designed app -- I predict that if Steve Jobs ever loses or relinquishes his 
iron grip over Mac the dock will rapidly be abandoned or redesigned).

>1. I can't get rid of this stupid blue panel which envelopes the
>Bookmarks Save window - and limits the number of folders to which I can
>save

I'm not sure what you mean with blue panel enveloping the Booksmarks Save 
window. Are you perhaps using OS X 10.2 or some third party extension?

Besides, me don't use Bookmarks save for a few things that I *might* want to 
use someday or an address I want to have auto-complete for in the address 
bar.

>2. It's not URL Manager compatible - which I bought to overcome the
>above  fault
>3. Its autofill function is determinedly fickle,( only works sometimes)
>   and not accessing info from Address Book as promised.  Not as user
>friendly as the customizable Auto fill function in Explorer

Never liked IE's auto-fill because it required you to use IE ;)

>4. Apple doesn't seem to provide much support - and is slow to
>improve/upgrade?

They've done a remarkable amount of work. I suspect we're going to be in for 
a major upgrade in the summer, to prepare Apple for back-to-school.

>What is your recommendation for short and long term best choice of a
>browser for Panther OSX ?

Have you asked this question before or was that only recently? If you need 
to be told which browser to use you may want to investigate the one included 
with Windows XP ;P. It's the *most* web-compatible browser to be found. 
It'll render more pages than the rest of the field put together, of course, 
it'll also require you to use Windows and sacrifice tabs and 
user-friendliness.

On the Mac side: download them all and figure out which oneS you like! 
There's no such thing as a "best long term choice". At the beginning of last 
year I was predominately using Camino with notable stints in IE and iCab 
whilst pretty much ignoring Safari except to fiddle around in it. I now use 
Safari mostly (80%) with the occasional trist with Camino (20%). I have 
Safari and Camino open at the same time. Each has different cookie settings 
for different web sites which is far more convenient than the nonsense that 
goes with setting up and *selecting* different users in Mozilla/Netscrash (I 
*hate* that these web browsers deal with users... it's a pain, especially 
since they do their damndest to get you to sign up with some e-mail 
address).

However, if you plan to have different users on one machine you may want to 
focus your efforts on Mozilla?

I check out FireFox every few weeks to see how it's progressing, but it's 
not refined enough yet for me to include it in my regular browsing schedule. 
If they continue to follow the Mac design philosophy of app design, I'm sure 
I'll be using it by the summer (given the rate of bug fixes and interface 
refinements over the past 6 months). It has all the power of Mozilla, but 
with a more useable interface (unlike Netscrash which lacks the power of 
Moz, but also has a poorly executed interface).

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