>Eric, you can give examples until you are blue in the face. I find people
>in a private environment to have incentives for results. Yes there is
>corruption and bad practice in the private sector, but that doesn't mean
>everybody is guilty.
Very interesting that *examples* are dismissed yet none are provided.
>Bullshit. Walkerton was a fine example of poor decisions. The people that
>were hired, were lazy, uneducated and simply not right for the job. They
>made decisions that cost people their lives. Is that not a failure? Go to
>Walkerton and ask the people.
You also fail to remember that it was the ideology of the Harrassment Tories
privatisation scheme that contributed the failure in the entire system.
> > Mad cow disease, BSE, is yet *another* example of a failure of the
>PRIVATE
> > industry.
>
>OK, here we go. Tell me how that was? Your ideologies are coming through
>full tilt now.
Merely pointing out that your beloved "private can ALWAYS do it better
mantra" is *NOT* true.
>Well let's talk about the Cod industry in Eastern Canada. Nice to just
>close down an industry like that on thousands of people. That isn't a
>fiasco? Why did this happen? The government decided to call it a domestic
>issue and didn't listen. Because they didn't know what to do. See how it
>turned out? They couldn't manage it in the past, so they hit them with one
>hard blow. Well done.
The Cod industry in Eastern Canada stayed open because no one had the balls
(since they were in cahoots with industry or didn't have the balls to stand
up to people who would be thrown out of their jobs for conservation
measures... so instead, like in Ontario now, now they have NO jobs) to stand
up to the COMPANIES that were over-fishing.
>If government was effective at pushing policy, as opposed to taking
>kickbacks ("Oh noooooo...nobody in government takes bribes"), then
>environmental disasters might not have happened if there was proper
>legislation in place. Private functioning
If they're willing to take kick-backs it also means someone is willing to
give them!
>take bribes. It's a shambles. Why do you think the Canadian microbrewing
>industry is one third that of the US? Because of the crap the government
>does to them.
We're also 1/10th the size of the US. 1/3 is quite impressive!!! Besides,
alcohol is not exactly an glowing example of private and/or public
benefit!!!
>Medical system, environment, communications, arts and culture...you name
>it,
>they all mess up in government.
Hmm. Canada's medical system is operated at nearly half the NET cost
(private + public) of that of the US yet we have a longer life expectancy
(colder climate even) and better quality of health.
>Eric, study some Eastern philosophies. Then you won't go to extremes and
>place black and white accusations like the word 'panacea'. I have never
>said that it was a panacea. I'm just stating that private organizations
>are
>more effective at accomplishing their goals. Governments around the world,
>are the cause of war. Private organizations, are not. You try to lump all
>private entities under one umbrella, because it's convenient. It's just
>not
>that way.
Corps not responsible for war? Let's see, Enron, Exxon, Chaney are not
responsible for the US gov't's war for oil policy?
Secondly, YOU are putting words in MY mouth. I have REPEATEDLY stated that
public can do _some_ things better than private, some things they do equally
well, and, some things private can do better than public. It is YOU who are
going to the extreme of claiming that public CANNOT do things well (please
correct me if I am putting words in your mouth).
HISTORY (or HERSTORY) has shown that private does not always do things well,
and when it does not do things well, PUBLIC steps in. The road you were on
to get your laptop would not have been built if it had been up to private
sector. But, once built by COMMUNAL (i.e. PUBLIC) moneys, it facilitated
your trip, the economy that flourished because of its presence.
>As for denial, nobody has any good things to say about government. They
>overtax and underserve, then demand more more more. It's called a deficit,
>something a company cannot operate without severe responsibilities.
No? YOU certainly don't. Why I'm not sure, but you benefitted from that
gov't in your education, your upcoming PUBLICLY paid for surgery (unless
it's cosmetic), the Ivy school of business, the roads you used, the people
who were educated by the communal pooling of funds who bought your services,
the undergrad education you received!!
I'm quite impressed by what they've done in building a public education and
health care system in 50-80 years at lower cost than our neighbours to the
south!!!
I'm utterly disgusted with what they've allowed to happen to environment,
partly because people are stupid by and large, and also, partly because too
many politicos are in the back pockets of corporations!
We're not over-taxed -- we have to hear too much whining about
over-taxation. That's how our ears are over-taxed! Our corporate taxes are
amongst the lowest in the G7. You're spouting some non-existant facts. We
have a better country in which to live than in the US and for that
priviledge we have to pay more. If you want to have crime on the streets and
people suffering health effects needlessly, by all means, move to the US.
PS The brain drain is not fact! It is CRAP-perpetuated mythology. Canada
gets as much as it gives!!!
Eric.
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