I know that it is a little off topic Jesse, but can you get discount rates for bulk purchases ..... ??? Tony.> I think so Tony, but you will have to ask some one with gobs of money that question as I have never had the opportunity to even think about it much less try. One of our state senators just had to resign because he was caught in an FBI sting accepting money from a ficticious company "who wanted some favors". Now he can devote full time to his two families, neither of which he is married to, and the family funeral home business. Here in the little world of Troy, TN, I worked on getting my Filer and Stowell logging locomotive ready for the big (hopefully) Mid-South meet on the 21 thru 25th of this month. Got up steam in about 11 minutes from a cold start with full boiler (had just pressure tested it), blew the whistle, tested the injector (not working too well) and blew down from both blowdown valves. All should be ready to load into my wonderful Dodge Cummins PU truck on the 19th for departure on the 20th. Only need to fill the spare propane bottle and I will be ready to run with the big boys and their "diesels", Atlantics, Americans and Moguls. Jesse in West Tennessee USA MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.