[modeleng] Re: Seen at Ally Pally, was RE: Re: Steam Boats

Tesla turbines have a lot more torque than Curtis/Parsons etc types....
I've seen ones about 2" diameter fed with 30psi compressed air and you
could not prevent it starting up with a pair of pliers on the shaft...

chrisc

> -----Original Message-----
> From: modeleng-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:modeleng-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of TEL
> Sent: 25 January 2009 23:47
> To: modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [modeleng] Re: Seen at Ally Pally, was RE: Re: Steam Boats
> 
> A double sized Cygnet might Al, the original would be a bit light with
> it's 5/8" bores.
> Allen Messer wrote:
> > How about the 3 cylinder radial design that has been published under
the
> name of "Cygnet"(?)  It looks like by using a simple jack shaft that
it
> would have enough muscle to drive a bike.
> >
> > Al
> >
> >
> > --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Phill Smith <steam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> >
> >
> >> From: Phill Smith <steam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Subject: [modeleng] Re: Seen at Ally Pally, was RE: Re: Steam Boats
> >> To: modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 10:47 PM
> >> Chris,
> >>
> >> I doubt that a turbine would give you enough torque to be
> >> able to move your
> >> bike, even geared right down 1000:1, unless it is quite
> >> large. You would
> >> then have problems with supplying it with steam. Turbines
> >> are NOT efficient
> >> in small sizes. Blade fitting and manufacture is the main
> >> problem, and they
> >> must be multi stage to be able to gain something resembling
> >> efficiency. The
> >> efficiency of the Tesla turbine is even less in small
> >> sizes.
> >>
> >> You may be able to fit it all into a large tricicle......
> >>
> >> I was thinking along the lines of a Doble type of boiler.
> >> It's flash steam,
> >> but far more efficient than any others I have seen the
> >> designs of. A bit
> >> more complex to make, but far safer for the rider and
> >> bystanders. But you
> >> would need a motorcycle battery (or similar size) to run
> >> the blower. It's
> >> not hard to set up, but a bit of fiddling around to set up.
> >> With modern
> >> electronics, you could really take control of your boiler
> >> so it is fully
> >> automatic, and the controls would be easy to hide.
> >>
> >> Just my 0.8p worth.
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Phill.
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Chris Crosskey"
> >> <chris.crosskey@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 1:57 AM
> >> Subject: [modeleng] Re: Seen at Ally Pally, was RE: Re:
> >> Steam Boats
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> I was going to go for flash steam (or possibly water
> >>>
> >> tube) but using a
> >>
> >>> tesla turbine..... I've a piece of 3/4" wall
> >>>
> >> thickness 9" ally tube
> >>
> >>> (about a foot of it) that needs a job..... get some
> >>>
> >> stainless 14 gauge
> >>
> >>> for the sheaf and a bunch of gearing... run it on a
> >>>
> >> self-pressurising
> >>
> >>> burner that uses veg oil as fuel...... If I built the
> >>>
> >> boat instead then
> >>
> >>> it'd still be a tesla (I want to build a tesla)
> >>>
> >> but with more gearing,
> >>
> >>> reversible and with a way of decoupling the paddles
> >>>
> >> from each other so
> >>
> >>> one could be reversed....
> >>>
> >>> chrisc
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: modeleng-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>
> >>> [mailto:modeleng-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >>>
> >>>> On Behalf Of Phill Smith
> >>>> Sent: 23 January 2009 13:37
> >>>> To: modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> Subject: [modeleng] Re: Seen at Ally Pally, was
> >>>>
> >> RE: Re: Steam Boats
> >>
> >>>> I like the sound of the steamcycle!!!! That would
> >>>>
> >> be good to see.....
> >>
> >>>> Hmmm... You've got me thinking now..... Water
> >>>>
> >> tube boiler, oil fired,
> >>
> >>> 6V
> >>>
> >>>> battery to operate the controls, double acting
> >>>>
> >> twin cylinder engine
> >>
> >>> (nice
> >>>
> >>>> and small but smooth torque.....
> >>>>
> >>>> I had better not tell my oldest boys about this
> >>>>
> >> idea, otherwise my
> >>
> >>>> pressent
> >>>> projects will be put on hold for a while......
> >>>>
> >> Actually they would ALL
> >>
> >>>> want
> >>>> one, so I would be unlikely to get ANYTHING done
> >>>>
> >> for the next 10
> >>
> >>>> years!!!!!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>>
> >>>> Phill.
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Chris Crosskey"
> >>>>
> >> <chris.crosskey@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>
> >>>> To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:15 PM
> >>>> Subject: [modeleng] Re: Seen at Ally Pally, was
> >>>>
> >> RE: Re: Steam Boats
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Many thanks for the replies, I will
> >>>>>
> >> investigate further.... I will
> >>
> >>> soon
> >>>
> >>>>> be moving into a place where I will have a
> >>>>>
> >> lot more space and I was
> >>
> >>>>> looking for something to fill it with...
> >>>>>
> >> I'd got it down to either a
> >>
> >>>>> paddle-steam boat somewhere between a large
> >>>>>
> >> canoe and a small launch
> >>
> >>> in
> >>>
> >>>>> size or else a steam motorcycle, not a
> >>>>>
> >> steam-assisted bicycle like
> >>
> >>> the
> >>>
> >>>>> Hope though (lovely though they are)......
> >>>>>
> >>>>> chrisc
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: modeleng-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> [mailto:modeleng-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Behalf Of Wilfried Vermeiren
> >>>>>> Sent: 22 January 2009 14:54
> >>>>>> To: modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>> Subject: [modeleng] Re: Seen at Ally
> >>>>>>
> >> Pally, was RE: Re: Steam Boats
> >>
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>> Unfortunally I had to let go the Ally
> >>>>>>
> >> Pally exhibition but I had a
> >>
> >>>>> look
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> trough the steamboat register 7th edition
> >>>>>>
> >> and they list 5 steam
> >>
> >>>>> launches
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> with side or rear paddle drive. I also
> >>>>>>
> >> had a look at pictures taken
> >>
> >>> by
> >>>
> >>>>> me
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> at
> >>>>>> the Henley traditional boat rally and
> >>>>>>
> >> came up with a few more
> >>
> >>>>> examples.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> if you are interested I can scan / mail
> >>>>>>
> >> the pictures.
> >>
> >>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>> Wilfried Vermeiren
> >>>>>> http://users.skynet.be/modelbouw.wilfried
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> >>
> >>>>>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> >>>>>> Van: modeleng-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> [mailto:modeleng-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Namens Chris Crosskey
> >>>>>> Verzonden: donderdag 22 januari 2009 9:56
> >>>>>> Aan: modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>> Onderwerp: [modeleng] Seen at Ally Pally,
> >>>>>>
> >> was RE: Re: Steam Boats
> >>
> >>>>>> A bit of a question for those at the Ally
> >>>>>>
> >> Pally ME show...
> >>
> >>>>>> The full scale steam boat folks were
> >>>>>>
> >> there as usual and I noticed
> >>
> >>> some
> >>>
> >>>>>> pictures on their stand of a very small
> >>>>>>
> >> side-paddle steam
> >>
> >>>>>> launch.....unfortunately I was a bit
> >>>>>>
> >> knackered and in a hurry
> >>
> >>> anyway
> >>>
> >>>>> so
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> didn't find out what it was and
> >>>>>>
> >> whether there is a design for it or
> >>
> >>>>>> indeed anything. Does anyone else recall
> >>>>>>
> >> the picture in question
> >>
> >>> And
> >>>
> >>>>>> know anything more about it?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Chris Crosskey
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