[modeleng] Re: Seen at Ally Pally, was RE: Re: Steam Boats

A double sized Cygnet might Al, the original would be a bit light with 
it's 5/8" bores.
Allen Messer wrote:
> How about the 3 cylinder radial design that has been published under the name 
> of "Cygnet"(?)  It looks like by using a simple jack shaft that it would have 
> enough muscle to drive a bike.
>
> Al
>
>
> --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Phill Smith <steam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>   
>> From: Phill Smith <steam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [modeleng] Re: Seen at Ally Pally, was RE: Re: Steam Boats
>> To: modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 10:47 PM
>> Chris,
>>
>> I doubt that a turbine would give you enough torque to be
>> able to move your 
>> bike, even geared right down 1000:1, unless it is quite
>> large. You would 
>> then have problems with supplying it with steam. Turbines
>> are NOT efficient 
>> in small sizes. Blade fitting and manufacture is the main
>> problem, and they 
>> must be multi stage to be able to gain something resembling
>> efficiency. The 
>> efficiency of the Tesla turbine is even less in small
>> sizes.
>>
>> You may be able to fit it all into a large tricicle......
>>
>> I was thinking along the lines of a Doble type of boiler.
>> It's flash steam, 
>> but far more efficient than any others I have seen the
>> designs of. A bit 
>> more complex to make, but far safer for the rider and
>> bystanders. But you 
>> would need a motorcycle battery (or similar size) to run
>> the blower. It's 
>> not hard to set up, but a bit of fiddling around to set up.
>> With modern 
>> electronics, you could really take control of your boiler
>> so it is fully 
>> automatic, and the controls would be easy to hide.
>>
>> Just my 0.8p worth.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Phill.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Chris Crosskey"
>> <chris.crosskey@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 1:57 AM
>> Subject: [modeleng] Re: Seen at Ally Pally, was RE: Re:
>> Steam Boats
>>
>>
>>     
>>> I was going to go for flash steam (or possibly water
>>>       
>> tube) but using a
>>     
>>> tesla turbine..... I've a piece of 3/4" wall
>>>       
>> thickness 9" ally tube
>>     
>>> (about a foot of it) that needs a job..... get some
>>>       
>> stainless 14 gauge
>>     
>>> for the sheaf and a bunch of gearing... run it on a
>>>       
>> self-pressurising
>>     
>>> burner that uses veg oil as fuel...... If I built the
>>>       
>> boat instead then
>>     
>>> it'd still be a tesla (I want to build a tesla)
>>>       
>> but with more gearing,
>>     
>>> reversible and with a way of decoupling the paddles
>>>       
>> from each other so
>>     
>>> one could be reversed....
>>>
>>> chrisc
>>>
>>>       
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: modeleng-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>         
>>> [mailto:modeleng-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>       
>>>> On Behalf Of Phill Smith
>>>> Sent: 23 January 2009 13:37
>>>> To: modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [modeleng] Re: Seen at Ally Pally, was
>>>>         
>> RE: Re: Steam Boats
>>     
>>>> I like the sound of the steamcycle!!!! That would
>>>>         
>> be good to see.....
>>     
>>>> Hmmm... You've got me thinking now..... Water
>>>>         
>> tube boiler, oil fired,
>>     
>>> 6V
>>>       
>>>> battery to operate the controls, double acting
>>>>         
>> twin cylinder engine
>>     
>>> (nice
>>>       
>>>> and small but smooth torque.....
>>>>
>>>> I had better not tell my oldest boys about this
>>>>         
>> idea, otherwise my
>>     
>>>> pressent
>>>> projects will be put on hold for a while......
>>>>         
>> Actually they would ALL
>>     
>>>> want
>>>> one, so I would be unlikely to get ANYTHING done
>>>>         
>> for the next 10
>>     
>>>> years!!!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Phill.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Chris Crosskey"
>>>>         
>> <chris.crosskey@xxxxxxxxx>
>>     
>>>> To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:15 PM
>>>> Subject: [modeleng] Re: Seen at Ally Pally, was
>>>>         
>> RE: Re: Steam Boats
>>     
>>>>         
>>>>> Many thanks for the replies, I will
>>>>>           
>> investigate further.... I will
>>     
>>> soon
>>>       
>>>>> be moving into a place where I will have a
>>>>>           
>> lot more space and I was
>>     
>>>>> looking for something to fill it with...
>>>>>           
>> I'd got it down to either a
>>     
>>>>> paddle-steam boat somewhere between a large
>>>>>           
>> canoe and a small launch
>>     
>>> in
>>>       
>>>>> size or else a steam motorcycle, not a
>>>>>           
>> steam-assisted bicycle like
>>     
>>> the
>>>       
>>>>> Hope though (lovely though they are)......
>>>>>
>>>>> chrisc
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: modeleng-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>             
>>>>> [mailto:modeleng-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>>           
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Wilfried Vermeiren
>>>>>> Sent: 22 January 2009 14:54
>>>>>> To: modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [modeleng] Re: Seen at Ally
>>>>>>             
>> Pally, was RE: Re: Steam Boats
>>     
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> Unfortunally I had to let go the Ally
>>>>>>             
>> Pally exhibition but I had a
>>     
>>>>> look
>>>>>           
>>>>>> trough the steamboat register 7th edition
>>>>>>             
>> and they list 5 steam
>>     
>>>>> launches
>>>>>           
>>>>>> with side or rear paddle drive. I also
>>>>>>             
>> had a look at pictures taken
>>     
>>> by
>>>       
>>>>> me
>>>>>           
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> the Henley traditional boat rally and
>>>>>>             
>> came up with a few more
>>     
>>>>> examples.
>>>>>           
>>>>>> if you are interested I can scan / mail
>>>>>>             
>> the pictures.
>>     
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Wilfried Vermeiren
>>>>>> http://users.skynet.be/modelbouw.wilfried
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>>     
>>>>>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>>>>>> Van: modeleng-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>             
>>>>> [mailto:modeleng-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Namens Chris Crosskey
>>>>>> Verzonden: donderdag 22 januari 2009 9:56
>>>>>> Aan: modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Onderwerp: [modeleng] Seen at Ally Pally,
>>>>>>             
>> was RE: Re: Steam Boats
>>     
>>>>>> A bit of a question for those at the Ally
>>>>>>             
>> Pally ME show...
>>     
>>>>>> The full scale steam boat folks were
>>>>>>             
>> there as usual and I noticed
>>     
>>> some
>>>       
>>>>>> pictures on their stand of a very small
>>>>>>             
>> side-paddle steam
>>     
>>>>>> launch.....unfortunately I was a bit
>>>>>>             
>> knackered and in a hurry
>>     
>>> anyway
>>>       
>>>>> so
>>>>>           
>>>>>> didn't find out what it was and
>>>>>>             
>> whether there is a design for it or
>>     
>>>>>> indeed anything. Does anyone else recall
>>>>>>             
>> the picture in question
>>     
>>> And
>>>       
>>>>>> know anything more about it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris Crosskey
>>>>>>
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