[modeleng] Re: Juliet's

G'Day Peter,

I tried them. They have cylinder castings for a Gauge 1 Juliet, but not 3.5" 
gauge......

Bugger.....


Cheers,

Phill.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Sheppard" <peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 10:42 PM
Subject: [modeleng] Re: Juliet's


> Phill,
>
> Have you tried Polly Models (now incorporating Bruce Engineering), I have
> always found them knowledgable and helpful.
>
> They also have a downloadable catalogue.
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
> (Lately of Sydney, currently Pittsburgh, soon to be home - hooray!)
>
>
>
> On Tue, 19 May 2009 22:42:10 +0800, "Phill Smith"
> <steam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> G'Day Rich,
>>
>> Thanks for your reply. It is really handy to know that there are others
>> out
>> there who are willing to help.
>>
>> I was surprised by Pete's responce to my queries, which is why I included
>> it
>> in my last posting. It really looks like he doesn't know his products. I
>> hope I'm wrong there, not for him personnally, but for the hobby. If our
>> suppliers don't know thier product, then it shows, and people won't want
>> to
>> use them. They then close up shop. It doesn't take long before there are
>> no
>> suppliers left to supply us.....
>>
>> I have send an email of to Blackgates to see what thier prices are like.
> I
>> don't know HOW I missed the juliet when I looked before.....
>>
>> Looking at the original ME's drawings, there are very few dimensions
> given
>> for the cylinders. I assume, from when LBSC wrote on the text, that the
>> drawings given to the casting suppliers had enough detail to enable them
>> to
>> make correct patterns for the cylinders. Unfortunately, those details are
>> not in the article drawings.
>>
>> Oh my...... I have just looked at the link to Walsall Model Industries,
>> that
>> Alan sent in one of his posts. 2 sets of cylinder castings for 35
>> pounds!!!!!! I'll send them an email VERY SHORTLY, to check on the size
> of
>> them, as they are listed on their Gauge 1 page. No wheels listed
>> though...... Prayers everyone!!!!!
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Phill.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "R.L. Roebuck" <rlr20@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:03 PM
>> Subject: [modeleng] Re: Juliet's
>>
>>
>>> Hi there Phill,
>>> If you look on...
>>>
>>> http://www.blackgates.co.uk/body_3_5__gauge_locos.html
>>>
>>> Blackgates definitely do Juliet!
>>>
>>> The price for their postage to you in Oz may be slightly cheaper as if
>>> memory serves correctly their castings use the late Norman Spinks
>> pattern
>>> for the driving wheels, which is quite 'lean', ie less metal to post to
>>> you.
>>>
>>> On the down side though, less room for error (especially if you teaching
>>> someone to machine). Also I've never had a bad thing to say about GLR
>> and
>>> Pete, so I wouldn't want to put you off from ordering from him.
>>>
>>> Yours,
>>>
>>>
>>> Rich.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 19 May 2009, Phill Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>> G'Day John, Jeff, TEL, And Everyone else,
>>>>
>>>> Fabricating cylinders is easy enough. The boring head makes accurate
>>>> fitting
>>>> together easy enough, but that applies to making patterns as well.....
>> I
>>>> didn't really want to fabricate them, but that may be (as both Jeff and
>>>> John
>>>> pointed out) the cheaper option.
>>>>
>>>> Blackgates doesn't list Juliet as something they do, so I didn't bother
>>>> contacting them.... Maybe I should have.
>>>>
>>>> Below is the 2 replies that I have had from GLR in the UK..... I am
>>>> simply
>>>> amazed by the responces. Knowing your product and showing some
>> interest,
>>>> is
>>>> obviously a thing of the past.......
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Phil,
>>>>            post for dwgs £3.00      we supply wheel castings 4 @
>> £44.00
>>>> Cyliner castings @ £90.00   ring 01327 878988
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                  Pete
>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>  From: Phill Smith
>>>>  To: Peteglr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>  Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 1:20 PM
>>>>  Subject: Re: Juliet drawings and castings
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  G'Day Pete,
>>>>
>>>>  I'm after inside valve gear (Stephenson's valvegear). Version 2 has
>>>> Baker's valvegear.
>>>>
>>>>  Do you supply cylinder and wheel castings?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Cheers,
>>>>
>>>>  Phill.
>>>>    ----- Original Message -----
>>>>    From: Peteglr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>    To: Phill Smith
>>>>    Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 6:58 PM
>>>>    Subject: Re: Juliet drawings and castings
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    Do you want inside cylinders or outside cylinders, drawings for
>> either
>>>> are £24.00 + p & p
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pete GLR
>>>>      ----- Original Message -----
>>>>      From: Phill Smith
>>>>      To: peteglr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>      Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 3:20 PM
>>>>      Subject: Juliet drawings and castings
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      To whom it May Concern,
>>>>
>>>>      I am attempting to source drawings and castings for LBSC's Juliet
>>>> (version 1).
>>>>
>>>>      If you are able to supply, could you please give me prices and
>>>> postage
>>>> costs to Australia.
>>>>
>>>>      If you can't supply, could you provide me with the contact details
>>>> of
>>>> suppliers who can.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      Thanks in advance,
>>>>
>>>>      Phillip Smith.
>>>>
>>>> The price for the wheels and cylinders are MUCH better than Reeves'
>>>> price.
>>>> But still..... 11 pounds for a wheel 3.5" in diameter???? That's about
>>>> AU$27.50 each. It's a much better price than Reeves!!! I think it
>> may(?)
>>>> be
>>>> worth getting these....
>>>> I can machine them out of centrifugally cast CI, for less than that.
>>>> Spokes
>>>> and all. But, it's the time factor that I don't like...... I suppose
>> they
>>>> could just be solids like Tich's. The other thing is that they would
>> need
>>>> to
>>>> be tired as the centrifugally cast stuff is softer than regular
>> castings.
>>>> No
>>>> big deal, just another thing to do that I doubt my son would be up to
>>>> yet.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know about the LPG furnass TEL. The only one I have had
>>>> experience
>>>> with (LPG that is) was in high school, and that used a lot of gas to
>> melt
>>>> a
>>>> piddly little bit of aluminium. It was probably just the design or the
>>>> way
>>>> it was being used. Haven't you got a gas one up and running? How much
>> gas
>>>> does it use to melt a given amount of bronze?
>>>>
>>>> OK so in summary.....
>>>>
>>>> Buy Drawings (drawings in original ME's too hard to read convieniently)
>>>> Fabricate GM cylinders (cyl section from hollow bar - valve section
>> could
>>>> waste a bit of metal in swarf, but my mill will quickly remove that)
>>>> Buy wheel castings. 44 pounds stirling (AU$110) per loco
>>>> Fabricate everything else (GM axleboxes sound like a good idea - dunno
>>>> how
>>>> they would wear in the horn block area though.... Alan?)
>>>> Buy boiler barrel material from UK (3.5" dia is not a size available
>> "of
>>>> the
>>>> shelf" in Oz")
>>>>
>>>> Anything else?????
>>>>
>>>> Lagging of boiler? What is the normal practice in the little league?
>> 1/8
>>>> cork is an excellent lagging material. I have used it on my 7.25" gauge
>>>> loco
>>>> and had great results. I had to relag it (can't remember why) and used
>>>> 3mm
>>>> ceramic fibre sheet and found it NOT as good as cork. Perhaps because I
>>>> SQUEEZED in 2 sheets..... ?  Anyway, I thought 1/8" of cork  between
>> the
>>>> boiler and cladding would do it some good. I will need to roll a larger
>>>> smokebox (1/4" bigger in dia) but that's no big deal..
>>>>
>>>> Oh, as an aside.... I noticed that there are dome castings offered by
>>>> Reeves. Doesn't anyone, besides me, spin domes anymore? I have spun a
>> few
>>>> for my friends ranging from 1" dia x 1.5" to 6" dia x 9", in both brass
>>>> and
>>>> copper, and the size makes no difference to process. It just takes
>> longer
>>>> for the bigger ones. Who else on this list spins items?
>>>>
>>>> And another aside..... Clarkson autolock collet chucks.... For those of
>>>> you
>>>> who have never used one, these are the ultimate clamping system to hold
>>>> onto
>>>> your slot drills (2 or 3 flute centre cutting end mills) when doing
>>>> plunging
>>>> work. Every other clamping system can slip allowing the cutter to pull
>>>> out
>>>> or push in. If you get the chance to buy one, do so. They are well
>> worth
>>>> the
>>>> investment. They pop up on ebay occationally, with the shank for either
>>>> MT3,
>>>> R8, NT30, or NT40. The only drawback is that you can only use threaded
>>>> shanked slot drills or end mills. Unfortunately none of the tungstan
>>>> carbide
>>>> cutters have threaded shanks.....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Phill.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "John Baguley" <baggo@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 4:44 AM
>>>> Subject: [modeleng] Re: Juliet's
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It wouldn't be too difficult to fabricate the cylinders from a bit of
>>>>> cored bronze or gunmetal with a bronze or gunmetal port face silver
>>>>> soldered on or even machine them from the solid. All the rest could be
>>>>> brass. Valve chest built up from brass bar silver soldered together
>> and
>>>>> end covers turned from brass bar with a bronze bush for the piston
>> rod.
>>>>> Much easier than making patterns and having castings made. A lot
>> cheaper
>>>>> too!
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>> TEL wrote:
>>>>>> Nope, no Juliet, so I can't be of help.
>>>>>> Furnace - propane will provide plenty of heat for doing bronze -
>> might
>>>>>> be a bit of a pinch for CI  although it has been done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I too had a look at Reeves' site the other day - and they reckon Ned
>>>>>> Kelly was a crook eh?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phill Smith wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> G'Day Alan,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The angle iron buffers is as LBSC originally designed it. They were
>>>>>>> originally brazed onto the side sheets. I don't like that, so I'll
>>>>>>> bolt
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>> with angle brackets.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was lucky I was sitting down when I went to the AJ Reeves site and
>>>>>>> looked
>>>>>>> at thier prices for cylinder sets.... 177 pounds for 1 cylinder
>>>>>>> set!!!!!
>>>>>>> Just ONE cylinder set. They have just lost my business...... What a
>>>>>>> mob
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> thieves!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>>> I hate patternmaking!!!! Oh well, looks like there is no choice now.
>>>>>>> Unless
>>>>>>> I can find someone that has some patterns that they wouldn't mind
>>>>>>> lending
>>>>>>> me...... They would be rare these days.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TEL, didn't you make a Juliet? Where did you get your castings from?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe I should concentrate on building a oil fired (I don't know if
>>>>>>> LPG
>>>>>>> would be hot enough) furnass first....... There's no shortage of
>> good
>>>>>>> quality green sand around here......
>>>>>>> Anyone got any drawings for one? I had better get started, otherwise
>>>>>>> disapointment awaits the delayed start on the project.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Phill.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Alan Stepney" <alan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 3:42 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [modeleng] Re: Juliet's
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I used bronze axleboxes, so...
>>>>>>>> Angle iron for the buffer beams would save some work.
>>>>>>>> Drain cocks, OK.
>>>>>>>> I dont see the need for a horiz stretcher, but nothing to stop you
>>>>>>>> adding
>>>>>>>> one of you feel it worthwile.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As for time, I was assuming lots of hand work, but if you have, for
>>>>>>>> example,
>>>>>>>> a mill (which you mentioned) and are making jogs etc, then, eys,
>> that
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> shorten it considerably.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
> http://www.walsallmodelindustries.co.uk/www.walsallmodelindustries.co.uk/info.php?p&pno=0
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> are an alternative to Reeves et al, although I have never used them
>>>>>>>> myself.
>>>>>>>>
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