I have been reading the thread about Titanium grates on the modeleng.org board. First I must state that what I know about raising steam and driving a model steam locomotive you could tattoo on to a tadpoles todger but it seems to me that burning coal is more trouble than its worth with holes burnt in grates and arches, clinker, excess residue, fire going out, driver feeling a bit crook after a days steaming. The most popular fuel used here in Oz seems to be industrial Char made from brown coal. There was a comparison test done by Hornsby M.E.S and reported in A.M.E issue 119 on Welsh Steam Coal and they thought that Char was better. As there may not be a similar product available in the U.K. I though about solid BBQ fuel. From what I can find out its a very similar product only a bit more refined with all the nasty bits taken out Its clean their is no smoke no smell (cooking food with char can poison You) This stuff is sold everywhere in Oz Supermarkets, service stations, hardware stores. A 4Kg bag at my local supermarket costs $6.50 Probably cost less than half that wholesale. Tel told me he has used it in a vertical steel boiler without any problems. If this product is available in the UK it may be a viable alternative. Anybody else have any thought's on this. I will keep asking around somebody must have tried it in a loco. Maybe there is a business opportunity here. http://www.auschar.com.au/index.html Lee -- Attached file included as plaintext by Ecartis -- -- Desc: "AVG certification" No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.14 - Release Date: 20/05/05 MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.