To the Forum Gents I found out this morning, that some french plunkers have taken £2000 pounds from my VISA account, and "winded & dined" themselves with it! It seems, like I am going to get the money back, but it still feels like a serious violation, let me tel you. I am letting you know this, because I am sure, that a lot of you, engineers, do trade with the same English and American firms (booksellers-tool sellers etc) then I do. So please be vigilant! Check your statements and call your banks if you have to at the first sing of anything that's "off". I am rather fanatically safety conscious on matters of internet payment, and almost all my orders are done over the phone. It could be that a computer of one of the firms we all deal with is hacked/cracked, it doesn't have to be you! The newest scam, is the following: You get an email in abysmal English, asking for your details. A child could see, that the email is bogus. Some days later you get an email in "the Queens Own", warning you about the first one and asking you to install some small bit of software, for protection against things like the first email. Anybody who does, is game and the criminals control your PC. For sanity's sake beware!! Patrick MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.