Re: [MoAccess] new motif

but what if I have a lot to load in, like a piano that is 256 megs or what 
ever. can I not load that piano?

GF


On Aug 9, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Damon Fibraio wrote:

> If I understand bryan's post, the sampel ram is only for holding the samples
> until you writ ethem to flash rom.
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of clarence griffin
> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 5:07 PM
> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] new motif
> 
> wowe, you can't upgrade the sample memory? that's a move in the wrong
> direction, don't ya think? I have a gig in the xs now.
> 
> GF
> 
> 
> On Aug 9, 2010, at 1:28 PM, Bryan Smart wrote:
> 
>> Yamaha quoted different prices for the US models, at least. They'll all
> cost slightly more than the XS versions, but will include a bit more stock.
> This is largely because that, even with the decreased cost of manufacturer
> in the last three years between the XS and XF, inflation is driving up the
> cost of materials and labor. That's one of the large reasons that the XF is
> an upgraded XS, and not a revolution. A revolution would be too expensive
> for most people.
>> 
>> The flash boards will be about $600 each for the 1GB versions. You can
> install 2 of them, giving you 2 GB total of permanent flash memory. The XF
> will already include 128MB of sample memory, and it can't be upgraded.
>> 
>> The new Motif will be organized a bit different internally, though, from
> what I have learned, the software won't be radically reorganized from the
> XS.
>> 
>> The Motif is built on a 32-bit computer, and so it is practically
> impossible for it to use more than a total of 4GB of memory for everything:
> rom samples, RAM samples, flash samples, voices, performances, preset and
> user arps, mixing templates, system settings, operating system, etc. The
> Motif doesn't stream material from disk. Everything has to be directly
> accessible in memory at all times. So, 4GB of everything is as far as we go
> without an entirely new Motif.
>> 
>> Producing an entirely new Motif would cost significant money, but Yamaha
> has done a great job at stretching the existing system just about as far as
> it could go.
>> 
>> The 355MB of  samples in the XS have been doubled to nearly 750MB. The
> Motif is still the king in terms of the size of its built-in sample memory.
> I'm told that there are new banks of presets, but don't know the details
> yet. Based on the past, though, I'd expect that we'll now have 10 banks of
> presets, plus the GM bank.
>> 
>> The sample memory has been reduced from a maximum of 2GB, down to 128MB.
> This sounds like a downgrade, but actually isn't. On every Motif up until
> now, the sample memory was used for anything that had to do with creating
> samples, storing samples for user voices, etc. On the XF, though, the sample
> memory is only used for holding samples as you're creating them. So, if
> you're editing a sample, or if you're sampling from one of the inputs,
> you're recording to the 128MB of sample memory. So, you can't make a sample
> larger than 128MB natively on the Motif, but, since that is enough for about
> 6 minutes of stereo recording, most people will never run in to that
> problem. Should you need to work with larger samples, the Motif XF can now
> transfer samples from the computer. John, and others, already have completed
> software for doing this.
>> 
>> The reason for shrinking the sample memory is to free up part of the 4GB
> of potential addressable memory for the new feature, the permanent flash
> memory. The new flash memory is where samples are stored when they are
> loaded, but you aren't editing them.
> 
>> 
>> On earlier models of Motif, when you created samples, they were stored in
> sample memory, and you had to save them when turning off the power, or
> they'd be lost. When you turned the Motif back on, you had to load the
> samples back in from a memory card or flash disk. Now, though, when you save
> samples that you've created, they are stored in the flash memory, just like
> your preset voices, performances, etc. That means, if you turn off the
> power, and turn it back on, the samples are there immediately, without
> having to wait for them to be loaded. If you're in the middle of working on
> a big sampling project, and the power accidentally goes off, your samples
> will be safe in flash memory. If you have a large set of samples, and make a
> change to just a few of them, there is no need to wait for 5 minutes or more
> while your entire collection of samples is saved from sample RAM out to your
> USB drive.
>> 
>> If you don't sample, but like to use Motif sample libraries, then the
> flash memory is a great feature for you, too. When voices were loaded in to
> older Motifs, any samples that they used were loaded in to the sample RAM.
> If you had a large set of sample libraries that you liked to use for live
> gigs, you had to wait 5 or more minutes after powering on the Motif before
> your voices would be ready to play. On the XF, when you load any voices that
> use samples, the samples are loaded in to the flash memory. Once they're
> loaded, they are there for good, until you erase them. You can fill your
> Motif with up to 2GB of sample libraries, power down, and those libraries
> will be instantly ready as soon as you turn on your Motif. That's great
> insurance against a power failure or someone tripping over a cord at a gig.
> Previously, you had to improv, or get the other musicians to cover for a few
> minutes, while you boot up and load everything back in. That isn't an issue
> anymore.
>> 
>> You can still save all of your voices, samples, etc to an all file, but
> the main reason to do that now is to make a backup of what is in memory. You
> aren't required to save an all file each time you shut down, anymore.
>> 
>> Yamaha also added another bank for user voices. There is now room for 4
> banks of user voices. This now makes the Motif a little like an expandable
> rompler. If you just would like to add more sounds to your Motif, you can
> load up to 2GB of them to be permanently added to the Motif's on-board
> samples, and can use them in up to 512 user voices.
>> 
>> So, when fully expanded, the Motif XF can start up, and have immediate
> access to nearly 2,000 voices/patches, that can use up to nearly 2.8GB of
> samples. That's pretty massive for a workstation keyboard.
>> 
>> The XF will also have a tap tempo button. I harassed the fuck out of some
> people for this. Glad that they listened.
>> 
>> However, my request for an un-do button was ignored.
>> 
>> Also, as far as I've been told, there is no change to the synth engine.
> The synth engine is the same as in the XS. So, this means that the glide
> issues are still there. From what I'm told, this will not be fixed until the
> synth engine is redesigned. Changing it now would require that additional
> voice parameters were added, and doing that now would break compatibility
> with the XS.
>> 
>> The already huge arp library on the XS has been increased by another 20%
> or so for the XF. Also, thankfully, they've now included a category search
> feature for arps. I mean, there are lots of really good arps in the XS, but
> finding the one that you want in the sea of thousands has always been
> extremely difficult. Maybe category search will make it easier to use them.
>> 
>> Other things... While the synth engine is the same, the D/A converters
> have been upgraded. The XS always sounded a tiny bit dull compared to the
> ES. The new converters may fix this. There is also a new Firewire interface
> card that is designed to fit the new case, but it doesn't have any new
> capabilities: still 16 channels to the computer, and 6 back to the Motif.
>> 
>> What has not changed? The keyboard actions are the same. The I/O options
> are the same. The controllers (pitch/mod/ribbon) are the same. The control
> panel is supposedly almost the same, but has a few additions.
>> 
>> Yamaha has announced that some of the XF features will come to the XS in
> another OS update. Of course, they can't add the new flash storage to the
> XS, but things like the arp category search will probably make it.
>> 
>> I couldn't not be interested in what is going on with a new Motif. I feel
> like I've been so involved with Motif in one form or another for so long,
> though GF is probably the man on the list that has owned one the longest. I
> have no idea if I'll buy one. It sounds like a really great board. If you
> perform live a lot, the Motif XF certainly has some absolutely great
> advantages. However, I'm a studio cat, so its benefits aren't as important
> to me. Plus, I'm getting deep with Logic on the Mac, and the Logic
> instruments are every bit as good as, and in many cases much better, than
> the Motif. Fully outfitting an XF6 will cost something like $3,300. If I
> didn't get a Motif, that money could make many other things happen in my
> musical world. I think that the price is fair for what it can do, but I just
> don't know if I, personally, need it enough anymore to spend cash like that
> on it.
>> 
>> That's everything that I know about the XF, I think.
>> 
>> Bryan
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Vince Mistretta
>> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:38 PM
>> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] new motif
>> 
>> A dealer friend of my says October shipping of all models.
>> 
>> Prices XF8 - List 4035.99 - Dealer sale price $3495.00
>> XF7 - $3495.00 - seale $3035.00
>> Xf6 will be same price as XS6.
>> 
>> 1GB Expancion Flash is going to be around $300.  It will have capability
> of expanding to 3GB of Flash RAM.
>> 
>> 
>> On 8/9/10, clarence griffin <goldfingas@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> oh boy, guess I need to save my pennies. lol. I have to get the new 
>>> one, I had all the others. lol.
>>> 
>>> GF
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 9, 2010, at 12:15 PM, Damon Fibraio wrote:
>>> 
>>>> They announced it last week. Should be seeing it in stores in October.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Damon Fibraio
>>>> screen names -- aol: dfibraio...msn dfibraio@xxxxxxxxxxxx skype: 
>>>> dfibraio Find me on facebook as Damon fibraio or twitter as dfibraio 
>>>> personal music site: http://www.keyboardguy.com.
>>>> Band web site: Days Before Tomorrow, 
>>>> http://www.daysbeforetomorrow.com
>>>> 
>>>> From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>> [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>> On Behalf Of clarence griffin
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:10 PM
>>>> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] new motif
>>>> 
>>>> its out, just not for sail yet, I don't think.
>>>> 
>>>> GF
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Aug 9, 2010, at 12:05 PM, <driza97@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I think I read somewhere  that it's supposed to come out this October!
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Omar Binno
>>>> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 11:21 AM
>>>> Subject: [MoAccess] new motif
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> 
>>>> Just curious: has there been any talk at all of a new motif being 
>>>> released next year? I figured it's been about 4 years since the xs, 
>>>> so maybe yamaha is planning something?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Omar Binno
>>>> 
>>>> Website: www.bigoproductions.net
>>>> AIM: LOD1116
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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