Re: [MoAccess] Sonar, Motif XS, and midi.

  • From: "Omar Binno" <omarbinno@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:04:56 -0500

I've always felt that Roland technology fell short of Yamaha's and even Korg's. 
The only thing I ever liked about Roland were some of their sounds; especially 
their orchestral and brass instruments.


Omar Binno

AIM: LOD1116
Skype: obinno1
Website: www.omarbinno.com
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bryan Smart 
  To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:40 PM
  Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Sonar, Motif XS, and midi.


  Yep. And the Oasys also includes a gold-plated nose hair trimmer. *smile*

   

  The Oasys has more inserts, but each of them have less power. Don't forget 
that the Motif inserts have two separate effects units each that can run any 
effect type that you want. No restrictions.

   

  The new Kurzweil, for example has 16 insert effects, but, just like old 
Kurzweils, you cant select any effect type on all of those 16 insert effects. 
If you select certain high quality effects on some of the inserts, that eats up 
the processing allocation units, so that the other effects cant be used, or can 
only be used to run low-quality versions of the effects algorithms.

   

  The Roland Fantom G actually has 16 real insert effects, so that any voice 
that you call up on each of its 16 MIDI channels in song mode loads exactly 
like you hear it in voice mode. That is really flexible, but, even so, the 
Roland inserts are only one effect per insert, not dual inserts like the Motif. 
The Roland has some combination effect types, like delay+chorus, but so does 
the Motif with effect types like compressor+distortion+delay in one block. Of 
course, when the Motif piles all of those effects in to one effects block, 
they're very cheap versions that either have fewer parameters or sound much 
worse than the dedicated effects, and the Roland effects are a little like 
that. Plus, only the Motif has modeled effects like the VCM compressor and 
Phaser.

   

  Yamaha kind of owned the effects game for a few years. They still have one of 
the nicest setups, but they have lots of competition now.

   

  Bryan

   

  From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Omar Binno
  Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:19 AM
  To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Sonar, Motif XS, and midi.

   

  I think you can hear the insertion fx on the newer korg boards, like the 
oasys, on 12 tracks.

   

   

  Omar Binno

   

  AIM: LOD1116
  Skype: obinno1
  Website: www.omarbinno.com

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Jose 

    To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

    Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:16 AM

    Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Sonar, Motif XS, and midi.

     

    No, I don't lose the insertion effects.  They work just fine.  There is no 
real difference between using USB and midi to connect.  The only difference is 
speed which can be an issue if you are driving a lot of channels or modules at 
the same time.  Using USB versus midi is like using the highway versus local 
roads.  The beginning and end points are still the same.  While we are on the 
subject, tis is one of the things that makes Yamaha better than Korg.  
Instruments in song mode sound the same as in voice mode because they carry the 
effects.  Well, at least 8 of them.

     

    Jose

     

    From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
On Behalf Of Omar Binno
    Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:08 AM
    To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Sonar, Motif XS, and midi.

     

    When you use the motif via midi through sonar, you lose the insertion fx 
that you have on the first 8 tracks of a project. If you use it through USB, 
you can get those fx and it sounds alot nicer. I'm not sure if that would fix 
the problem you're currently having, but just thought i'd pass that bit of info 
along.

     

     

    Omar Binno

     

    AIM: LOD1116
    Skype: obinno1
    Website: www.omarbinno.com

      ----- Original Message ----- 

      From: Jose 

      To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

      Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:03 AM

      Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Sonar, Motif XS, and midi.

       

      There's no real reason, except this is the set up I've had for a while.  
I only use the connection to create sequences in Sonar using the XS, and to 
record sequences from sonar into the XS using the record all tracks function.  
I only change my set up once every 5 or so years.  Once I'm confortable with a 
set up, I don't like to change it, even if it's, potentially, for the better.  
For example, I still use a Layla20 sound card.  It records at a lower 
resolution than many more modern cards, like the Layla24, and a more recent 
Echoaudio card called Audiofire.  However, this set up works fine for me, and I 
don't spend have of my studio time fixing connection problems.  I do have a p4 
computer, not a comodor64!  However, I don't have a dual or quad core computer 
cause, once again, mine works fine.

       

      Jose

       

      From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Omar Binno
      Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:43 AM
      To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
      Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Sonar, Motif XS, and midi.

       

      I'm just curious: why are you connecting your motif via Midi rather than 
USB?

       

       

      Omar Binno

       

      AIM: LOD1116
      Skype: obinno1
      Website: www.omarbinno.com

        ----- Original Message ----- 

        From: Jose 

        To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

        Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:23 AM

        Subject: [MoAccess] Sonar, Motif XS, and midi.

         

        Why doesn't my XS listen to the Sonar volume setting on midi channel 1? 
 I
        have my XS connected to my computer via midi through my Layla sound 
card.
        In song mode, the volume on channel 1 is always at the highest level 
(127).
        It won't change.  The volume for all of the other channels change as I
        adjust them in Sonar.  I use Sonar 2.2.  Yes, that's right, 2.2.  It 
works
        fine for me.  I have dealt with this in the past by simply setting the
        keyboard not to receive control data, and creating templates on the 
keyboard
        with the settings I want.  However, I'm curious to know why this is
        happening.  I remember it also happening with my Yamaha S80.  I dealt 
with
        the problem the same way.  I don't think it happens with the Karma, but 
I
        don't remember because, with the Karma, I always disabled control data
        without even checking if this was a problem.  Thanks.

        Jose.


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