You know I wonder if the new motif lines will even change; from what I've heard, lots of people are starting to kick up complaints about yamaha's GUIS looking old-school or outdated or clunky etc. I thought we were all about effeciency on gigs, not who has the best looking synth screen lol. Regards,D!J!X! -----Original Message----- From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Vince Mistretta Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 10:11 PM To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Motif vs Tyros - A Practical Example From what I hear nothing changed. I am hearing that Tyros may be changing this go round though. -------------------------------------------------- From: "D!J!X!" <megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 8:37 PM To: <MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Motif vs Tyros - A Practical Example > I hope they keep the psr interface, like the PSR2000, tyros and such. > I saw the psr s900 at guitar center and saw it was still using the > same method, a-j and page up/down buttons, so hope they keep that lol. > > D!J!X! > > -----Original Message----- > From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > On Behalf Of Steve Matzura > Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 8:27 PM > To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Motif vs Tyros - A Practical Example > > Wonder how accessible these will be. > > On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 17:57:57 -0400, you wrote: > >>I think the s750 will be around $1200 and the s950 is around $1900 but >>don't quote me on it. >> >>They are apparently coming out now. One of the dealers on Synthzone >>has received an s750 just this week. >> >>On 9/22/12, D!J!X! <megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> O nice! The 950? Any idea how much that'll be? I imagine the 1g >>> price range that the upper mid range psr's have? >>> Thanks for the info, looks like a few google moments are in store >>> for when I get free time. >>> >>> THX, D!J!X! >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >>> On Behalf Of Vince Mistretta >>> Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 1:05 PM >>> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Motif vs Tyros - A Practical Example >>> >>> DJX , >>> Wait a few months. The new PSR S750 and S950 are just now coming out. >>> >>> For the Music Finder Viewer he used Quick Basic. He did some >>> accessibility fixes on that product but I didn't work with him on >>> the main screen where the lists of entries are. Have to Jaws cursor >>> around on that one. Still needs a lot of work but it was helpful. >>> I never tried any other software by him. Anyway, I don't have the >>> need since I don't have a board which is addressed in his software. >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "D!J!X!" <megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 9:28 AM >>> To: <MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Motif vs Tyros - A Practical Example >>> >>>> Wow, Michael is still around! That's cool... Haven't spoken to him >>>> in years. >>>> Glad to hear he's still actively developing software for the >>>> pssr/tyros line. When I get a s910 or whatever is out now I'll have >>>> to >>> hunt him down. >>>> Vince, has he been able to get accessibility into his tools? >>>> Back in the day we were working with java and some other sdk's that >>>> made it a task to get things working, not to mention jaws was >>>> behind the times (the days of 4.1/4.2). >>>> >>>> D!J!X! >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >>>> On Behalf Of Vince Mistretta >>>> Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 6:46 AM >>>> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Motif vs Tyros - A Practical Example >>>> >>>> >>>> All of that is only accessed through Sysex controls. If you >>>> remember, back a few years ago on the T3 forum we had Michael >>>> Bedison who is one of the biggest contributers on PSRTutorials come >>>> on and answer many questions. I had asked him if he could modify >>>> his Music Finder View application to take that information from a >>>> selected song entry and send it to the T3. After a few months of >>>> testing it was done. He said he had wanted to do it and was >>>> getting held up with some area but found that those areas - tempo >>>> especially was changed via PCCC00,c32 and PC controls. The styles, >>>> variations, intros and all that other good stuff was only >>>> addressable through Sysex. >>>> >>>> The feature is still available in the program to this date. There >>>> is no documentation on this in any of the manuals for either the >>>> Tyros line or PSR line. I'm thinking he was able to capture this >>>> info through his MIDI out. >>>> All the messages are standard over both series; just the id for >>>> the board and model is different. >>>> >>>> I sold my T3 off about two months ago. >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 11:13 PM >>>> To: <MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Motif vs Tyros - A Practical Example >>>> >>>>> My big complaint about the Tyros, and, I suspect, any arranger, is >>>>> the lack of addressability via MIDI of certain features. I owned a >>>>> T3 for about a year, and for the life of me, I could never figure >>>>> out how to select styles or fills or breaks via MIDI. My goal in >>>>> purchasing the thing was to do all that setup stuff with Sonar, >>>>> record a song's backing track, then play over it with both hands. >>>>> Ha, I remember as a kid I had this chord organ, and the first >>>>> thing I learned to do with it was disable the chord functions so I >>>>> could have a fuller keyboard and play my own chords! But what the >>>>> Tyros offered in the way of arranger tools was so good, it drew me >>>>> in, only to spit me out again when I found out I couldn't fire >>>>> them via MIDI. If that capability exists there, I'd sure love to >>>>> know how it's supposed to be >>> done. >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, 07 Jul 2012 23:43:55 -0400, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Bryan, >>>>>> >>>>>>What a great explanation. >>>>>> >>>>>>So I had always figured my Tyros was a good choice for the >>>>>>realistic instruments. And when I wanted to compose a song with >>>>>>multiple tracks, instruments, and effects, then I figured Sonar >>>>>>was my > friend. >>>>>> >>>>>>However, I now appreciate the headwind in getting a DAW with Sonar >>>>>>and all the supporting peripherals and wiring working. >>>>>> >>>>>>Just understanding tracks, channels, busses, banks, patches, >>>>>>sends, all that termonology and the routing is enough to drive any >>>>>>newcomer crazy. >>>>>> >>>>>>I can appreciate that it's all pre-packaged in the Motif. But >>>>>>still, Motif doesn't talk, so perhaps the memorization necessary >>>>>>to master Motif's workstation features is roughly equivalent to >>>>>>mastering playing Tyros + Sonar + Cake Talking. >>>>>> >>>>>>Now if Motif talked, or we could link up Motif screens to an OCR >>>>>>engine and have them spoken, that would be the ultimate, wouldn't it? >>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks again for your detailed explanation, >>>>>> >>>>>>Ben >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>At 08:31 PM 7/7/2012, you wrote: >>>>>>>OK. This can get complicated, but here is the nut shell. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>An arranger keyboard solves a problem for a few types of musicians. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>If you gig by yourself, you have a virtual backup band that can >>>>>>>play along with you. You select a musical style on the arranger, >>>>>>>play the main keyboard part, and the band follows along. The >>>>>>>instrument sounds on a good arranger keyboard are going to sound >>>>>>>way better than some cheap general MIDI module or canned backing >>>>>>>tracks. The keyboard also reacts to you, so if you stretch out >>>>>>>with additional choruses, or if you want to throw in a break or >>>>>>>solo, you can do that in >>> the moment. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The other big problem arrangers solve is they help someone that >>>>>>>doesn't know how to play keyboard sound like a full band. I don't >>>>>>>mean that the musician can't play keys, but playing keyboard is >>>>>>>different from playing piano. Keyboard players learn how to >>>>>>>spread out with wide two-handed chords to play more realistic >>>>>>>guitar parts, how to play the correct intervals for instruments >>>>>>>like harmonica, etc. If you play piano well, but don't know how >>>>>>>to change your technique for those other instruments, then an >>>>>>>arranger > helps you. >>>>>>>You basically play in the piano part, or else record in a few >>>>>>>tracks that serve as guides, pick a style, and the arranger plays >>>>>>>all of the other instruments for you. You can write this way, but >>>>>>>you focus on the chords and melody, rather than playing each part. >>>>>>>The styles are also useful for letting you hear how your chord >>>>>>>progression and melody will sound when performed different ways. >>>>>>>You focus on the big picture, and let the arranger worry about >>>>>>>the > details. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>A workstation keyboard is meant to be a self-contained instrument >>>>>>>for composition/production of an entire song. It is supposed to >>>>>>>be something like a scaled down studio or DAW. Motif has lots of >>>>>>>ready-to-go instrument sounds, both a 16 track linear (tape >>>>>>>recorder style), and a 16 track pattern (drum machine style) >>>>>>>sequencer, a sampler that can be used to import loops, make new >>>>>>>instruments, record vocals, etc, and, finally, Motif has a >>>>>>>mixing/mastering system for getting the sound right. You might >>>>>>>have a megabucks computer with a mountain of softsynths, but a >>>>>>>workstation is a boiled down version of that for getting the tech >>>>>>>out of your way so you can write. You turn on the Motif, and it >>>>>>>is all there: no updates, drivers, viruses, etc. You perform your >>>>>>>parts in to the sequencer on the Motif, mix it on the Motif, and >>>>>>>can record your file >>> directly to a USB flash drive. >>>>>>>The idea is that you sit down, turn on the Motif, quickly play in >>>>>>>your idea, quickly mix it, and get up with a recorded song. The >>>>>>>computer has more synths, more and better effects, etc etc. If >>>>>>>you want to demo a song idea, though, you can throw something >>>>>>>together in a short time on the Motif that sounds good, rather >>>>>>>than spend hours working through the infinite possibilities on the computer. >>>>>>>If you end up loving your demo, you can jump on the computer with >>>>>>>a better idea of where you're going. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>A workstation is also different from an arranger in that it lets >>>>>>>you control just about everything. You can record and edit on all >>>>>>>16 tracks, instead of a few on an arranger. You have more >>>>>>>performance controls that affect the tone of the instrument >>>>>>>voice, where an arranger has mostly performance controls that >>>>>>>affect the virtual band. You can also tweak the sound of any of >>>>>>>your >>>>>>>instruments: >>>>>>>change the effects, edit the filters, envelopes, LFOs and other >>>>>>>mod sources, all the way down to the individual samples, where an >>>>>>>arranger doesn't go as deep with control of the instrument sounds. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Arps or arpeggios get their name from history. On an instrument, >>>>>>>you play an arpeggio by playing the notes of a chord individually >>>>>>>in a pattern. In the ancient days, synthesizers had devices >>>>>>>called arpeggiators that did this for you. You'd hold down a C >>>>>>>major chord, and they'd play c, e, g, e, c, e, g, etc. You could >>>>>>>change the pattern, so they'd play c, e, g, c, e, g, or g, e, c, >>>>>>>g, e, c, but that was about it. On the Motif, an arpeggio is a >>>>>>>bit like that in the sense that you can play a chord, but what >>>>>>>comes out is a realistic sounding riff. For example, say you >>>>>>>don't know how to play good guitar parts. You can pick a guitar >>>>>>>sound for a track, select one of the guitar arpeggios, and just >>>>>>>play the chords. The Motif will generate notes that sound like >>>>>>>you're strumming, muting, tapping the guitar body for rhythm, >>>>>>>etc. The arps on the Motif aren't as smart as the styles on the >>>>>>>Tyros, but they try to help in the same way. You can also play >>>>>>>them in to the sequencer one at a time, which gives you more >>>>>>>control than you get on a Tyros. The Motif has a performance >>>>>>>mode, where you can use up to 4 parts at once under arpeggiator >>>>>>>control. People commonly make performances that include drums, >>>>>>>bass, guitar, and keys. The result is something that sounds >>>>>>>similar to a Tyros style, but with > fewer parts. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>You can always hammer in a nail with a screw driver, but it isn't >>>>>>>necessarily easy. That's why it's better to get the keyboard that >>>>>>>is laid out to best handle the problems that you encounter the >>>>>>>most in your work. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Bryan >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On Jul 3, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Ben Humphreys wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Thanks Bryan, I liked your summary: "The Tyros is a great >>>>>>>>arranger with some workstation features. The Motif is a great >>>>>>>>workstation with some arranger features." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Unfortunately, I don't yet have a grasp for what "arranger" and >>>>>>>>"workstation" mean specifically. However, an example might help >>>>>>>>clarify the situation for me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Let's say I have a 4-handed piano piece, such as "Heart and Soul." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I want to make a first pass with the left handed part, a >>>>>>>>repeating pattern. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Then a second pass with the right handed part. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I understand how I might do this with Sonar, recording the left >>>>>>>>hands part on a track, and then looping it over and over. Then >>>>>>>>putting the right hands part on its own track. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>How might I accomplish this with Motif and/or Tyros? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Is this where arpeggios on Motif come in? Is this where styles >>>>>>>>on Tyros come in? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Without regard to using Sonar, how would this be accomplished >>>>>>>>on a Motif vs. Tyros? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Obviously, I'm confused about a lot of terms: workstation, >>>>>>>>arranger, arpeggios, styles and how they might apply to various >>>>>>>>situations, and in particular the one I have described. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I'd be grateful to anyone who can set me straight :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Thanks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Ben >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>At 04:07 PM 7/1/2012, you wrote: >>>>>>>>>There are a good many blind Tyros users out there. Most of >>>>>>>>>these people are using the Tyros for doing one-man shows: >>>>>>>>>weddings, small parties, etc. It is incredibly realistic at >>>>>>>>>being a backing band while you play. The styles, harmonizer, >>>>>>>>>and so forth aren't really useful if you're playing with a full band. >>>>>>>>>Ensemble keyboard players would do better with a workstation, >>>>>>>>>where they can split/layer voices as much as they want, as well >>>>>>>>>as build their own from scratch. I know a few blind people that >>>>>>>>>have the Tyros as a studio sound module, but is very expensive >>>>>>>>>for that >>> approach. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>The Tyros is a great arranger with some workstation features. >>>>>>>>>The Motif is a great workstation with some arranger features. >>>>>>>>>My personal opinion is that the Tyros is the superior live >>>>>>>>>keyboard, and the Motif is the superior studio piece, but they >>>>>>>>>both can do either things to some degree. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Anyway, there isn't a blind Tyros users list, as far as I know, >>>>>>>>>but lots of them are on MIDI-Mag. At one point, there were >>>>>>>>>panel descriptions, menu descriptions, and so on floating >>>>>>>>>around for at least the Tyros 3. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I suggest to ask on MIDI-Mag. Go to >>>>>>>>><<http://www.midimag.org>http://www.midimag.org>www.midimag.org. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Bryan >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On Jun 29, 2012, at 4:51 PM, D!J!X! wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>The motif is different in the layout and navigation than the >>>>>>>>>>tyros and the top line psr. The tyros and psr are aranger >>>>>>>>>>keyboards, with the styles and are geared more toward quick >>>>>>>>>>composition and perfomance like that. You can use it with a >>>>>>>>>>sequencer with no problem, and for quick recordings. Not sure >>>>>>>>>>what it has in terms of sampling capabilities, but the motif >>>>>>>>>>is more of a workstation, you can make more customized full >>>>>>>>>>songs on there, they have pattern mode for quick loop based >>>>>>>>>>music creation, and it's more of an overall perfoming >>>>>>>>>>workstation, with separate channels and assignable parts and >>>>>>>>>>such for performing, the tyros and psr just have the main >>>>>>>>>>voice, 1 or 2 layers that you can add, and a left hand split >>>>>>>>>>along with the > styles. >>>>>>>>>>The motif for example can have 4 separate keyboard zones or 4 >>>>>>>>>>layers (probably more in the xf and xs), you can use arps with >>>>>>>>>>the voices (short musical loops), and you can even use the >>>>>>>>>>pattern mode to create a 16 track part or such to use in >>>>>>>>>>performances. It also has many more effects than the tyros and >>>>>>>>>>more advanced routing, as it's meant for the studio musician >>>>>>>>>>and the live gigging musician as well. >>>>>>>>>>But if you're using the tyros in studio or for small >>>>>>>>>>performances, the tyros should be fine, though because of it's >>>>>>>>>>different layout and such it'll be harder to get help, since >>>>>>>>>>most people on this list at least use the motif line. The good >>>>>>>>>>thing about the tyros and psr navigation system is that it >>>>>>>>>>stays constant and once you learn it you can get around most >>>>>>>>>>of those >>> keyboards. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>HTH, D!J!X! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>From: >>>>>>>>>><<mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>mailto:moaccess-bounce@ >>>>>>>>>>f >>>>>>>>>>re >>>>>>>>>>e >>>>>>>>>>lists.org><mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>moaccess-bounc >>>>>>>>>>e >>>>>>>>>>@f >>>>>>>>>>r >>>>>>>>>>eelists.org >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>[mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >>>>>>>>>>On Behalf Of Ben Humphreys >>>>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 9:52 PM >>>>>>>>>>To: >>>>>>>>>><<mailto:MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>mailto:MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>>< ma i lto:MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>>>>Subject: [MoAccess] Motif vs Tyros >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Hi folks, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I have a question relating to accessability of the Motif vs >>>>>>>>>>the Tyros. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I've heard it consistently stated that Motif is one of the >>>>>>>>>>best workstations for a blind musician, presumably because so >>>>>>>>>>many functions are accessible from dedicated buttons and the >>>>>>>>>>screen interface is button-based, not touch-based. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>However, when I went to purchase a Motif, I was so enamored >>>>>>>>>>with the even more beautiful sounds of the Tyros that I ended >>>>>>>>>>up getting a Tyros 4 instead. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I figured the Yamaha Tyros interface was similar enough to >>>>>>>>>>Motif that I wouldn't be at any disadvantage to a Motif user. >>>>>>>>>>Tyros has lots of buttons I can label in Braille, and screen >>>>>>>>>>has 10 buttons, A through J, tab keys, and 1 through 8 up / >>>>>>>>>>down buttons. I'm assuming Motif is very similar. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Of course, there is no ty-access mailing list, and certain >>>>>>>>>>apps, such as those from John Melas, won't work with Tyros. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>But I'm using Sonar with Cake Talking, same as I would with Motif. >>>>>>>>>>And I've found a Tyros 4 Instrument Definition File so >>>>>>>>>>presumably can select instruments easily using Sonar. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Which leads to my question: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Is the Motif preferred among the blind community over the >>>>>>>>>>Tyros primarily because the Motif is somehow more accessable? >>>>>>>>>>Or is it perhaps that the Tyros is a bit on the expensive side? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Is there some compelling reason I'd want to sell my Tyros and >>>>>>>>>>get a Motif instead? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Thanks for your help, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Ben >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>-- >>>>>>>>>>You received this message because you're subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>MoAccess e-mail list. >>>>>>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options, or view archives for >>>>>>>>>>the MoAccess list, please use the FreeLists page. >>>>>>>>>><<//www.freelists.org/list/moaccess>http://www.freelists. >>>>>>>>>>o rg / list/moaccess>//www.freelists.org/list/moaccess >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>-- >>>>>>>>>>You received this message because you're subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>MoAccess e-mail list. >>>>>>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options, or view archives for >>>>>>>>>>the MoAccess list, please use the FreeLists page. >>>>>>>>>><//www.freelists.org/list/moaccess>http://www.freelists.o >>>>>>>>>>r >>>>>>>>>>g/ >>>>>>>>>>l >>>>>>>>>>ist/moaccess >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>-- >>>>>>>>You received this message because you're subscribed to the >>>>>>>>MoAccess e-mail list. >>>>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options, or view archives for >>>>>>>>the MoAccess list, please use the FreeLists page. >>>>>>>><//www.freelists.org/list/moaccess>//www.freelists.org >>>>>>>>/ >>>>>>>>li >>>>>>>>s >>>>>>>>t/moaccess >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you're subscribed to the >>>>> MoAccess e-mail list. >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options, or view archives for the >>>>> MoAccess list, please use the FreeLists page. >>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/moaccess >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you're subscribed to the MoAccess >>>> e-mail list. >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options, or view archives for the >>>> MoAccess list, please use the FreeLists page. >>>> //www.freelists.org/list/moaccess >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you're subscribed to the MoAccess >>>> e-mail list. >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options, or view archives for the >>>> MoAccess list, please use the FreeLists page. >>>> //www.freelists.org/list/moaccess >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you're subscribed to the MoAccess >>> e-mail list. >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options, or view archives for the >>> MoAccess list, please use the FreeLists page. >>> //www.freelists.org/list/moaccess >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you're subscribed to the MoAccess >>> e-mail list. >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options, or view archives for the >>> MoAccess list, please use the FreeLists page. >>> //www.freelists.org/list/moaccess >>> >> >> >>-- >>Vince Mistretta >>Call me at 561-234-7631 >>Skype Name: vin5451 > -- > You received this message because you're subscribed to the MoAccess > e-mail list. > To unsubscribe, change your list options, or view archives for the > MoAccess list, please use the FreeLists page. > //www.freelists.org/list/moaccess > > -- > You received this message because you're subscribed to the MoAccess > e-mail list. > To unsubscribe, change your list options, or view archives for the > MoAccess list, please use the FreeLists page. > //www.freelists.org/list/moaccess -- You received this message because you're subscribed to the MoAccess e-mail list. 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