Re: [MoAccess] MoAccess, was Sonar, Motif XS, and MIDI

  • From: Blake Hardin <blakehardin5487@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 16:43:32 -0800

Hi, do you have any ideas of how i can learn some of the functions of
the triton rack? I have one but really haven't messed with changeing
the sounds all that much. Do you have any notes on it? Also does yours
have any expantions? If so can you explain how to load them? I have
thought about getting some of the expantion boards because they sound
great.

On 3/6/09, Jose Abreu <jose@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Well, I do have to say that the feel of the Karma is nowhere close to the
> feel of the XS.  I don't know about the ES.  The feel on the Karma is much
> more loosely and springy.  Once again, it feels really bad to talk bad about
> the Karma.  It's like talking about an old girlfriend.  I hate Korg now, but
> I will always have a place in my heart for the Karma.  I did get used to the
> feel of the Karma, but it's also different than the feel of the Triton
> series.  Same sound engine though.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Goldfingas
> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 4:44 PM
> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] MoAccess, was Sonar, Motif XS, and MIDI
>
> Yes, I have a tr rack, its cool. It has most of the same stuff as what Jose
> is getting rid of, just in a rack. I want the karma for the arps and the
> board its self. It has the feel like the motif ES.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Daniel R
> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 4:44 PM
> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] MoAccess, was Sonar, Motif XS, and MIDI
>
> Clarence, you have a TR Rack? Wow. How is it? I'd trade, but I hardly have
> anything.
>
> On 3/6/09, Goldfingas <goldfingas@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Korg tr rack? Roland rs5, Roland vs 8 80? I don't know, what are you
>> looking for?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Jose
>> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 2:39 PM
>> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] MoAccess, was Sonar, Motif XS, and MIDI
>>
>> Sorry.  Well, if it's any consolation, it hasn't actually sold.  One
>> guy expressed interest, but didn't come see it.  Do you have any thing
>> laying around that I might be interested in for trading purposes?
>> It'd be hard though cause I need cash!
>>
>> Jose
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Goldfingas
>> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 1:49 PM
>> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] MoAccess, was Sonar, Motif XS, and MIDI
>>
>> You suck! I wanted one so bad! Oh well...
>>
>> GF
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Jose
>> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:43 AM
>> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] MoAccess, was Sonar, Motif XS, and MIDI
>>
>> It's on Craig's list right now!  Don't get me wrong, that Karma board
>> has made me tons of money both in arrangements and live performances.
>> However, it's the last meaningful Korg board that doesn't have a touch
> screen.
>>
>> Jose
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Goldfingas
>> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 8:56 AM
>> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] MoAccess, was Sonar, Motif XS, and MIDI
>>
>> Can I have your karma then?
>> I have always wanted one.
>>
>> GF
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Jose Abreu
>> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:50 PM
>> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] MoAccess, was Sonar, Motif XS, and MIDI
>>
>> Well, actually, I'm not having that problem anymore cause I'll just
>> not use track one in Sonar.  I love the Motif XS.  When the ES came
>> out, I learned it was much more accessible than the Korg boards, but,
>> to be honest, I was not sold on the sounds.  For Latin sequences, I
>> still very much preferred the Korg sounds on the Karma.  However, that
>> is no longer true with the release of the XS.  The XS blows Korg out
>> of the water, and out of my band and my studio for good.
>>
>> A huge thanks to those of you who came before me, and are opening the way.
>> Special mention to Damon for sharing his knowledge directly with me,
>> and, patiently, answering some of my idiotic questions, like how to
>> load a sound file.  I will try to help out when I can as I am now
>> fully sold on the XS and will put a lot of time into it.  I'll try to
>> put together some other notes like the file mode notes I sent recently.
>>
>> Jose
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Bryan Smart
>> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:21 PM
>> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [MoAccess] MoAccess, was Sonar, Motif XS, and MIDI
>>
>> Sorry that you're having problems. There are many settings to work
>> out, for sure.
>>
>> Very soon, I will be releasing a complete setup package for using the
>> Motif with Sonar, both for basic MIDI sequencing for those of you that
>> have USB connections, as well as a fully integrated all-digital
>> multi-bus setup for those of you that have mLAN.
>>
>> I know that the Motif has been out for almost two years now, and, for
>> a while, it has seemed like the ES is the board with superior
> accessibility.
>> This is because a lot of the XS benefits have been slow in coming due
>> to the many pieces that have been involved, and the nothing that
>> myself and those that have helped me make for doing all of this work
>> to simplify the process for those of you that aren't so techy.
>>
>> Before anything could be done, we needed good access to many Motif XS
>> capabilities. We needed good documentation on the Motif XS, and how to
>> get around its control panels. We needed to get a good stable PC-based
>> editor for allowing us to remote control many of its functions
>> (including the Jaws scripts). We needed Yamaha to make some basic
>> changes in the firmware that have gradually made these other goals
>> possible (fixing bugs that prevented editor functions from working,
>> adding keyboard support so that we can actually type filenames when
> saving, etc).
>>
>> To use the Motif XS as part of a larger accessible studio on a PC, we
>> needed to accomplish other goals. The mLAN drivers didn't work so well
>> with Sonar in the early days, and we had to wait for those problems to be
> sorted out.
>> Of course, the editors are a big part of working in Sonar, since they
>> control the Motif mixing functions. Also, accessibility in Sonar
>> itself has come quite a long way in the last two years, particularly
>> with the enhancements to CakeTalking. Sonar 8, with its features,
>> external inserts in particular, will make working with the Motif XS a
>> lot like using a softsynth. You Sonar users will be able to sequence
>> in Sonar and have your creations rendered from start to finish in
>> complete digital form without having to manually record in track after
>> track of sequenced MIDI data from the Motif to audio tracks.
>>
>> Many advanced users have put their toes in to some of these areas,
>> some trying mLAN, others using the editors. However, I don't know any
>> blind people that are using the full system as intended. Even those
>> that are trail blazers must put up with lots of configuration
>> headaches together with trial and error. That will change very soon.
>> We are reaching the point where the pieces are finally coming together.
>>
>> When I started out creating electronic music 15 years ago, I didn't
>> know other blind people that were doing what I was doing. I bought a
>> lot of crap gear, memorized many screens, and frustrated myself beyond
>> description. The only good thing that came of all that is that I
>> learned these techniques for memorizing gear and, of course, got my
>> MIDI-knight black belt. My intension from the beginning with MoAccess
>> has been to make the Motif for all of you, what it has been for me, a
>> wonderful instrument that helped me create music instead of mess with
>> lots of equipment. I think that this is particularly important for
>> blind people, since, not only do most of us have no idea what the
>> cryptic configuration options mean, but we have the added disadvantage
>> that we are unable to see the screens on the gear to read the cryptic
> configuration options.
>>
>> Hopefully, the Motif XS can replace the old Kurzweils in peoples'
>> minds as the accessible workstation. It already has been, but most
>> people just don't understand it yet.
>>
>> Anyway, when is the question. The answer is 1-2 weeks. I'm going to
>> CSUN this year, and I'd like to be able to talk this stuff up when I'm
> there.
>> I really hope that Yamaha releases their drum voices by then, as I'd
>> like to include them in some all files that I've built, but that part
>> is completely out of my control. Still, it is a small little piece.
>>
>> Bryan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jose Abreu
>> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:31 PM
>> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Sonar, Motif XS, and midi.
>>
>> Well, I solved my problem, but there's still an academic question out
> there.
>> I moved the piano in track 1 of Sonar to another track, 13, and
>> assigned it to midi channel 1.  It now responds to the volume control.
>> So, the problem is not on midi channel 1, but rather on Sonar's track
>> 1.  At this point it's academic, I will just not use track 1, but I do
> still wonder why this is.
>>
>> Jose
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Bryan Smart
>> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:26 AM
>> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Sonar, Motif XS, and midi.
>>
>> Cable from computer to keyboard. Must first download Yamaha Universal
>> MIDI driver from YamahaSynth.com, but is easy setup.
>>
>> mLAN does the same thing over a Firewire cable, but also provides 11
>> stereo (or 22 mono) channels of digital I/O for routing audio in to,
>> or out of, DAW apps like Sonar.
>>
>> Bryan
>>
>> Bryan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jose
>> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:55 AM
>> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Sonar, Motif XS, and midi.
>>
>> So, to use the USB connection instead of midi, I can just connect a
>> cable from the computer to the keyboard, or do I need the optional lan
> adaptor?
>>
>> Jose
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Goldfingas
>> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:49 AM
>> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Sonar, Motif XS, and midi.
>>
>> With USB, you are abler to do more than just midi, you can also use
>> the remote functions and coming soon, even more. I think there are 3
>> ports that the USB uses... I forget what they all do though. I know
>> that a is midi, one is remote, and I forget what that other is at the
>> moment. Maybe Smart can chime in here and back me up?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Omar Binno
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 1:02 PM
>> To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Sonar, Motif XS, and midi.
>>
>> I was wrong then about the insertion fx. I do remember though that it
>> was discussed on here a while ago how USB connection has advantages over
> MIDI.
>> Yes, no?
>>
>>
>> Omar Binno
>>
>> AIM: LOD1116
>> Skype: obinno1
>> Website: www.omarbinno.com
>>
>>      ----- Original Message -----
>>      From: Bryan Smart <mailto:bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>      To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>      Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:24 PM
>>      Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Sonar, Motif XS, and midi.
>>
>>
>>      Really? I'm not sure how this can be. MIDI doesn't have anything to
>> do with if the Motif uses its insert effects processors or not, as far
>> as I know.
>>
>>      
>>
>>      Bryan
>>
>>      
>>
>>      From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Omar Binno
>>      Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:08 AM
>>      To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>      Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Sonar, Motif XS, and midi.
>>
>>      
>>
>>      When you use the motif via midi through sonar, you lose the
> insertion
>> fx that you have on the first 8 tracks of a project. If you use it
>> through USB, you can get those fx and it sounds alot nicer. I'm not
>> sure if that would fix the problem you're currently having, but just
>> thought i'd pass that bit of info along.
>>
>>      
>>
>>      
>>
>>      Omar Binno
>>
>>      
>>
>>      AIM: LOD1116
>>      Skype: obinno1
>>      Website: www.omarbinno.com
>>
>>              ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>              From: Jose <mailto:Jose@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>
>>              To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>              Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:03 AM
>>
>>              Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Sonar, Motif XS, and midi.
>>
>>              
>>
>>              There's no real reason, except this is the set up I've had
> for a
>> while.  I only use the connection to create sequences in Sonar using
>> the XS, and to record sequences from sonar into the XS using the
>> record all tracks function.  I only change my set up once every 5 or so
> years.
>> Once
>> I'm confortable with a set up, I don't like to change it, even if
>> it's, potentially, for the better.  For example, I still use a Layla20
> sound card.
>> It records at a lower resolution than many more modern cards, like the
>> Layla24, and a more recent Echoaudio card called Audiofire.  However,
>> this set up works fine for me, and I don't spend have of my studio
>> time fixing connection problems.  I do have a p4 computer, not a
> comodor64!
>> However, I
>> don't have a dual or quad core computer cause, once again, mine works
> fine.
>>
>>              
>>
>>              Jose
>>
>>              
>>
>>              From: moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:moaccess-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Omar Binno
>>              Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:43 AM
>>              To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>              Subject: Re: [MoAccess] Sonar, Motif XS, and midi.
>>
>>              
>>
>>              I'm just curious: why are you connecting your motif via Midi
> rather
>> than USB?
>>
>>              
>>
>>              
>>
>>              Omar Binno
>>
>>              
>>
>>              AIM: LOD1116
>>              Skype: obinno1
>>              Website: www.omarbinno.com
>>
>>                      ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>                      From: Jose <mailto:Jose@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>
>>                      To: MoAccess@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>                      Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:23 AM
>>
>>                      Subject: [MoAccess] Sonar, Motif XS, and midi.
>>
>>                      
>>
>>                      Why doesn't my XS listen to the Sonar volume setting
> on midi
>> channel 1?  I
>>                      have my XS connected to my computer via midi through
> my Layla sound
>> card.
>>                      In song mode, the volume on channel 1 is always at
> the highest
>> level (127).
>>                      It won't change.  The volume for all of the other
> channels change
>> as I
>>                      adjust them in Sonar.  I use Sonar 2.2.  Yes, that's
> right, 2.2.
>> It works
>>                      fine for me.  I have dealt with this in the past by
> simply setting
>> the
>>                      keyboard not to receive control data, and creating
> templates on the
>> keyboard
>>                      with the settings I want.  However, I'm curious to
> know why this is
>>                      happening.  I remember it also happening with my
> Yamaha S80.  I
>> dealt with
>>                      the problem the same way.  I don't think it happens
> with the Karma,
>> but I
>>                      don't remember because, with the Karma, I always
> disabled control
>> data
>>                      without even checking if this was a problem.
>> Thanks.
>>                      
>>                      Jose.
>>                      
>>                      
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