[mea] Re: Wording
- From: Karen McElrea <karenmcelrea@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <mea@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:37:51 -0600
Yes, that's what I've been saying.
From: bjbecker@xxxxxxx
To: mea@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [mea] Re: Wording
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:26:30 -0600
A reflexive is used for an object that renames the subject. Subject is ‘I’ –
Object is prep. phrase ‘Jane and myself’. You need a reflexive here to refer
back to the subject. J Barbara J. Becker, EditorMEASURED WORDS second
helpings(204) 837-9680bjbecker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From:
mea-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mea-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Karen
McElrea
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 3:18 PM
To: mea@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [mea] Re: Wording Hmm... I think we're saying the same thing, here. I
just was substituting a different example of the same error. A reflexive
pronoun refers back to itself, no matter which person it's in. If it's the
object of its own action, a reflexive pronoun is required.From: bjbecker@xxxxxxx
To: mea@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [mea] Re: Wording
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:12:08 -0600He is 3rd person – me is 1st person –
that’s why you can’t sub he for me. Myself is correct because it is a
reflexive pronoun that renames the subject (I). Creating a compound does not
overrule correct grammar. If the compound is wrong and ‘Jane and me’ is wrong
– the fact that it is a compound doesn’t make it right. Sh’be myself.
Barbara J. Becker, EditorMEASURED WORDS second helpings(204)
837-9680bjbecker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: mea-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:mea-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of cheri.frazer@xxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 2:30 PM
To: mea@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [mea] Re: Wording That was one of the suggestions :)
I'm going to steal your 'broken MP3 file' comment. Brilliant.
I may have to unpack my books for this one. Drat. We're getting new carpets and
everything is put away so nicely...
From: Karen McElrea <karenmcelrea@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <mea@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date:
2012-02-16 02:25 PM Subject: [mea] Re: Wording Sent by:
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I hate to sound like a broken record (or MP3 file), but your compound object
argument would mean it's correct to say "Jim made coffee for Jane and he."
This Jane character sounds like a troublemaker, anyway. How about not even
offering her coffee; just make one for yourself and maybe she'll take the hint
and leave.To: mea@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [mea] Re: Wording
From: cheri.frazer@xxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:03:55 -0600
No, this isn't an issue in a document, it's an on-purpose language debate. I
work with enthusiasts.
From: susan.portelance@xxxxxxxxx To: mea@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: 2012-02-16 01:57
PM Subject: [mea] Re: Wording Sent by: mea-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
I prefer me to myself personally. Is there any other reference to Jane? Can you
say "I made coffee for both of us"?
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From: cheri.frazer@xxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:52:46 -0600
To: <mea@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
ReplyTo: mea@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [mea] Re: Wording
That's today's raging debate among the word enthusiasts:
I made coffee for Jane
I made coffee for myself
therefore I made coffee for Jane and myself
OR
I made coffee for [compound object of Jane and me]
I'm trying to juggle a hair-on-fire deadline at the same time and I don't want
to dig my reference books out of boxes... sorry to be so lazy, but this is fun
:)
From: Karen McElrea <karenmcelrea@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <mea@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date:
2012-02-16 01:48 PM Subject: [mea] Re: Wording Sent by:
mea-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Doesn't this call for the reflexive pronoun, since you're the object of your
own action? You wouldn't say, e.g., "She bought a muffin for Craig, Jane, and
her," or, removing Jane from the picture, you wouldn't say "I made coffee for
me." To: mea@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [mea] Wording
From: cheri.frazer@xxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:16:03 -0600
Can you think of any situation in which this would be correct:
"I made coffee for Jane and me"
?
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