Keith and all, The purpose of this thread was to discuss applications for the MAC that are not from Apple. I do agree that Apple needs to do some work on their products. On Sep 3, 2011, at 11:03 AM, Keith Reedy wrote: Dean and all, This thread has gone on for a couple of days, lets drop it. Please take these problems to Apple. Thanks. Keith Reedy keithreedy@xxxxxxxxxxxx On Sep 3, 2011, at 5:49 AM, Dean Wilcox wrote: > That's why I use often quite often. I wonder when the next upgrade to iWork > is? I thought it was expected late last year! > > > On 3 Sep 2011, at 06:22, Sean Murphy wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> But pages isn't fully accessible. Can you identify and navigate tables? Last >> time I looked you couldn't. >> >> Basic functionality like this is from my point of view basic accessibility >> to a word processor. >> >> Sean >> >> On 02/09/2011, at 9:43 PM, Rejean Proulx wrote: >> >>> A legal action would likely go nowhere. There are alternatives like pages. >>> >>> On 2011-09-02, at 7:21 AM, Justin Mann wrote: >>> >>>> I think that Micosoft should be held accountable for not making office for >>>> the mac accessible. However, unless you asa consumer decided t take legal >>>> action against them it would do little good. >>>> Windows does rule the workplace now, but that is changing. After all, >>>> look at where iPads are starting to turn up as business solutions. >>>> On Sep 1, 2011, at 9:09 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> since we are talking about the workplace, and almost every office in the >>>>> world uses windows, isn't this kind of a pointless argument? I'm not >>>>> saying MS Office shouldn't be made accessible on the Mac but, I think >>>>> improving iWork is even more important mainly because its the point of >>>>> least resistance. Before we can even worry about office being accessible >>>>> on the Mac to improve working conditions for the blind, don't we need >>>>> Macs in the workplace first? >>>>> >>>>> JMO. >>>>> >>>>> Ricardo Walker >>>>> rwalker296@xxxxxxxxx >>>>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 >>>>> www.mobileaccess.org >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 1, 2011, at 5:52 PM, Marcy Weinberg wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> To make this clear, we are talking about the workplace, and Microsoft is >>>>>> the ruler there. This is why it is so important for us to get Microsoft >>>>>> to make Office accessible. >>>>>> >>>>>>> From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>> Date: September 1, 2011 5:21:34 PM EDT >>>>>>> To: VO List <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: what do we do about productivity on the mac? >>>>>>> Reply-To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please don't contact Microsoft about any of this! They've messed up >>>>>>> Office 2007 in Windows badly enough in addition to doing a bad copy of >>>>>>> the Macintosh environment for Windows I don't want them making anything >>>>>>> on the mac accessible. Better they should make Windows as installable >>>>>>> as Mac OSX is with speech coming on at the beginning of that process >>>>>>> first. Then those that must use windows at home at least will be able >>>>>>> to reinstall it without sighted assistance when it gets compromised by >>>>>>> the latest malware. One of the reasons I look forward to retirement is >>>>>>> I'll be able to go through a whole day with a computer and not be >>>>>>> required to use anything made by Microsoft. Accessible versions of >>>>>>> OpenOffice have been available for some time by now and OpenOffice has >>>>>>> the active support of 10 corporations behind it rather than one >>>>>>> corporation. The more brains, the better the product. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Sep 2011, Marcy Weinberg wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello, everyone, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I saw this message on another list, and felt it was important enough >>>>>>>> to post here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> spreadsheets and documents and presentations, oh my! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Many blind folk are successfully employed for performing tasks which >>>>>>>> involve the above and have been for many years. Few if any though are >>>>>>>> using the mac for many reasons but I want to focus on moving forward >>>>>>>> in areas in which we can move forward and to focus your attention and >>>>>>>> seek your assistance with those. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We need gallant folk to step up to Microsoft and shout out that office >>>>>>>> needs to be made accessible in order that the market for blind >>>>>>>> employees will be wider. To do this, folk must provide concrete >>>>>>>> detailed and factual information about the issues of using Microsoft >>>>>>>> office on the mac. You can even find some good stuff that is already >>>>>>>> written and submit it to them. I don't have a handle on the Microsoft >>>>>>>> stream and cannot purchase the product so cannot help directly but am >>>>>>>> willing to help in any other way I can. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We need to provide solid feedback to apple on issues related to IWork >>>>>>>> from a productivity standpoint. Some employers will be willing to >>>>>>>> accept a blind person with a mac since we can export office formats >>>>>>>> and they would be willing to mix systems if they are able. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We need to locate employers willing to work with us and rehab or other >>>>>>>> agencies who are willing to take on the challenge if for nothing less >>>>>>>> than the potential cost savings. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I know that there are a myriad of issues which we face with regard to >>>>>>>> this ultimate goal of prominent positioning of mac in the work place >>>>>>>> of the blind, but if we work together, perhaps we can move forward and >>>>>>>> provide assistance in this important effort. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I know that there are efforts ongoing at apple and lots of feedback >>>>>>>> coming to them which they are paying attention to and which is helping >>>>>>>> to guide them toward better accessibility. I'd like though to discuss >>>>>>>> experiences and desires and perhaps translate some of those into >>>>>>>> meaningful dialog with apple and microsoft. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Marcy >>>>>>>> Hope you're having a nice day! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >>>>>>>>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. >>>>>>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >>>>>>>>> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web >>>>>>>>> interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jude <jdashiel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>> "I love the Pope, I love seeing him in his Pope-Mobile, his three feet >>>>>>> of bullet proof plexi-glass. That's faith in action folks! You know he's >>>>>>> got God on his side." >>>>>>> ~ Bill Hicks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >>>>>>>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. >>>>>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >>>>>>>> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web >>>>>>>> interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Jonnie Appleseed >>>>>> with his >>>>>> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s >>>>>> reducing technology's disabilities >>>>>> one byte at a time >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Marcy >>>>>> Hope you're having a nice day! >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >>>>>>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. >>>>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >>>>>>> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web >>>>>>> interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >>>>>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. >>>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>>>> >>>>>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >>>>>> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web >>>>>> interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >>>>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >>>>> >>>>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. >>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>>> >>>>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >>>>> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web >>>>> interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Rejean Proulx >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >>>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >>>> >>>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. >>>> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>> >>>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >>>> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web >>>> interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>> >> >>> >>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >>> >>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. >>> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>> >>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >>> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web >>> interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>> > >> >> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >> >> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. >> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >> >> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web >> interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >> > > Click on the link below to go to our homepage. > http://www.icanworkthisthing.com > > Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. > //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to > macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web > interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > -- Marcy Hope you're having a nice day! > > Click on the link below to go to our homepage. > http://www.icanworkthisthing.com > > Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. > //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to > macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web > interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >