[macvoiceover] Re: what do we do about productivity on the mac?

Keith and all,

The purpose of this thread was to discuss applications for the MAC that are not 
from Apple.

I do agree that Apple needs to do some work on their products.

On Sep 3, 2011, at 11:03 AM, Keith Reedy wrote:

Dean and all,

This thread has gone on for a couple of days, lets drop it.  Please take these 
problems to Apple.

Thanks.
Keith Reedy
keithreedy@xxxxxxxxxxxx



On Sep 3, 2011, at 5:49 AM, Dean Wilcox wrote:

> That's why I use often quite often.  I wonder when the next upgrade to iWork 
> is?  I thought it was expected late last year!
> 
> 
> On 3 Sep 2011, at 06:22, Sean Murphy wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> But pages isn't fully accessible. Can you identify and navigate tables? Last 
>> time I looked you couldn't.
>> 
>> Basic functionality like this is from my point of view basic accessibility 
>> to a word processor.
>> 
>> Sean 
>> 
>> On 02/09/2011, at 9:43 PM, Rejean Proulx wrote:
>> 
>>> A legal action would likely go nowhere. There are alternatives like pages.
>>> 
>>> On 2011-09-02, at 7:21 AM, Justin Mann wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I think that Micosoft should be held accountable for not making office for 
>>>> the mac accessible.  However, unless you asa consumer decided t take legal 
>>>> action against them it would do little good.  
>>>> Windows does rule the workplace now, but that is changing.  After all, 
>>>> look at where iPads are starting to turn up as business solutions.  
>>>> On Sep 1, 2011, at 9:09 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> since we are talking about the workplace, and almost every office in the 
>>>>> world uses windows, isn't this kind of a pointless argument?  I'm not 
>>>>> saying MS Office shouldn't be made accessible on the Mac but, I think 
>>>>> improving iWork is even more important mainly because its the point of 
>>>>> least resistance.  Before we can even worry about office being accessible 
>>>>> on the Mac to improve working conditions for the blind, don't we need 
>>>>> Macs in the workplace first?
>>>>> 
>>>>> JMO.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ricardo Walker
>>>>> rwalker296@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
>>>>> www.mobileaccess.org
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 1, 2011, at 5:52 PM, Marcy Weinberg wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> To make this clear, we are talking about the workplace, and Microsoft is 
>>>>>> the ruler there.  This is why it is so important for us to get Microsoft 
>>>>>> to make Office accessible.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Date: September 1, 2011 5:21:34 PM EDT
>>>>>>> To: VO List <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: what do we do about productivity on the mac?
>>>>>>> Reply-To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Please don't contact Microsoft about any of this!  They've messed up 
>>>>>>> Office 2007 in Windows badly enough in addition to doing a bad copy of 
>>>>>>> the Macintosh environment for Windows I don't want them making anything 
>>>>>>> on the mac accessible.  Better they should make Windows as installable 
>>>>>>> as Mac OSX is with speech coming on at the beginning of that process 
>>>>>>> first.  Then those that must use windows at home at least will be able 
>>>>>>> to reinstall it without sighted assistance when it gets compromised by 
>>>>>>> the latest malware.  One of the reasons I look forward to retirement is 
>>>>>>> I'll be able to go through a whole day with a computer and not be 
>>>>>>> required to use anything made by Microsoft.  Accessible versions of 
>>>>>>> OpenOffice have been available for some time by now and OpenOffice has 
>>>>>>> the active support of 10 corporations behind it rather than one 
>>>>>>> corporation.  The more brains, the better the product.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Sep 2011, Marcy Weinberg wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hello, everyone,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I saw this message on another list, and felt it was important enough 
>>>>>>>> to post here.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> spreadsheets and documents and presentations, oh my!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Many blind folk are successfully employed for performing tasks which 
>>>>>>>> involve the above and have been for many years.  Few if any though are 
>>>>>>>> using the mac for many reasons but I want to focus on moving forward 
>>>>>>>> in areas in which we can move forward and to focus your attention and 
>>>>>>>> seek your assistance with those.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> We need gallant folk to step up to Microsoft and shout out that office 
>>>>>>>> needs to be made accessible in order that the market for blind 
>>>>>>>> employees will be wider.  To do this, folk must provide concrete 
>>>>>>>> detailed and factual information about the issues of using Microsoft 
>>>>>>>> office on the mac.  You can even find some good stuff that is already 
>>>>>>>> written and submit it to them.  I don't have a handle on the Microsoft 
>>>>>>>> stream and cannot purchase the product so cannot help directly but am 
>>>>>>>> willing to help in any other way I can.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> We need to provide solid feedback to apple on issues related to IWork 
>>>>>>>> from a productivity standpoint.  Some employers will be willing to 
>>>>>>>> accept a blind person with a mac since we can export office formats 
>>>>>>>> and they would be willing to mix systems if they are able.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> We need to locate employers willing to work with us and rehab or other 
>>>>>>>> agencies who are willing to take on the challenge if for nothing less 
>>>>>>>> than the potential cost savings.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I know that there are a myriad of issues which we face with regard to 
>>>>>>>> this ultimate goal of prominent positioning of mac in the work place 
>>>>>>>> of the blind, but if we work together, perhaps we can move forward and 
>>>>>>>> provide assistance in this important effort.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I know that there are efforts ongoing at apple and lots of feedback 
>>>>>>>> coming to them which they are paying attention to and which is helping 
>>>>>>>> to guide them toward better accessibility.  I'd like though to discuss 
>>>>>>>> experiences and desires and perhaps translate some of those into 
>>>>>>>> meaningful dialog with apple and microsoft.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>> Marcy
>>>>>>>> Hope you're having a nice day!
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> of bullet proof plexi-glass. That's faith in action folks! You know he's
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>>>>>>> ~ Bill Hicks
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>>>>>> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
>>>>>> reducing technology's disabilities
>>>>>> one byte at a time
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  -- 
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