[macvoiceover] Re: what do we do about productivity on the mac?
- From: Keith Reedy <keithreedy@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 11:03:14 -0400
Dean and all,
This thread has gone on for a couple of days, lets drop it. Please take these
problems to Apple.
Thanks.
Keith Reedy
keithreedy@xxxxxxxxxxxx
On Sep 3, 2011, at 5:49 AM, Dean Wilcox wrote:
> That's why I use often quite often. I wonder when the next upgrade to iWork
> is? I thought it was expected late last year!
>
>
> On 3 Sep 2011, at 06:22, Sean Murphy wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> But pages isn't fully accessible. Can you identify and navigate tables? Last
>> time I looked you couldn't.
>>
>> Basic functionality like this is from my point of view basic accessibility
>> to a word processor.
>>
>> Sean
>>
>> On 02/09/2011, at 9:43 PM, Rejean Proulx wrote:
>>
>>> A legal action would likely go nowhere. There are alternatives like pages.
>>>
>>> On 2011-09-02, at 7:21 AM, Justin Mann wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think that Micosoft should be held accountable for not making office for
>>>> the mac accessible. However, unless you asa consumer decided t take legal
>>>> action against them it would do little good.
>>>> Windows does rule the workplace now, but that is changing. After all,
>>>> look at where iPads are starting to turn up as business solutions.
>>>> On Sep 1, 2011, at 9:09 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> since we are talking about the workplace, and almost every office in the
>>>>> world uses windows, isn't this kind of a pointless argument? I'm not
>>>>> saying MS Office shouldn't be made accessible on the Mac but, I think
>>>>> improving iWork is even more important mainly because its the point of
>>>>> least resistance. Before we can even worry about office being accessible
>>>>> on the Mac to improve working conditions for the blind, don't we need
>>>>> Macs in the workplace first?
>>>>>
>>>>> JMO.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ricardo Walker
>>>>> rwalker296@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
>>>>> www.mobileaccess.org
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 1, 2011, at 5:52 PM, Marcy Weinberg wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> To make this clear, we are talking about the workplace, and Microsoft is
>>>>>> the ruler there. This is why it is so important for us to get Microsoft
>>>>>> to make Office accessible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Date: September 1, 2011 5:21:34 PM EDT
>>>>>>> To: VO List <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: what do we do about productivity on the mac?
>>>>>>> Reply-To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please don't contact Microsoft about any of this! They've messed up
>>>>>>> Office 2007 in Windows badly enough in addition to doing a bad copy of
>>>>>>> the Macintosh environment for Windows I don't want them making anything
>>>>>>> on the mac accessible. Better they should make Windows as installable
>>>>>>> as Mac OSX is with speech coming on at the beginning of that process
>>>>>>> first. Then those that must use windows at home at least will be able
>>>>>>> to reinstall it without sighted assistance when it gets compromised by
>>>>>>> the latest malware. One of the reasons I look forward to retirement is
>>>>>>> I'll be able to go through a whole day with a computer and not be
>>>>>>> required to use anything made by Microsoft. Accessible versions of
>>>>>>> OpenOffice have been available for some time by now and OpenOffice has
>>>>>>> the active support of 10 corporations behind it rather than one
>>>>>>> corporation. The more brains, the better the product.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Sep 2011, Marcy Weinberg wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello, everyone,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I saw this message on another list, and felt it was important enough
>>>>>>>> to post here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> spreadsheets and documents and presentations, oh my!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Many blind folk are successfully employed for performing tasks which
>>>>>>>> involve the above and have been for many years. Few if any though are
>>>>>>>> using the mac for many reasons but I want to focus on moving forward
>>>>>>>> in areas in which we can move forward and to focus your attention and
>>>>>>>> seek your assistance with those.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We need gallant folk to step up to Microsoft and shout out that office
>>>>>>>> needs to be made accessible in order that the market for blind
>>>>>>>> employees will be wider. To do this, folk must provide concrete
>>>>>>>> detailed and factual information about the issues of using Microsoft
>>>>>>>> office on the mac. You can even find some good stuff that is already
>>>>>>>> written and submit it to them. I don't have a handle on the Microsoft
>>>>>>>> stream and cannot purchase the product so cannot help directly but am
>>>>>>>> willing to help in any other way I can.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We need to provide solid feedback to apple on issues related to IWork
>>>>>>>> from a productivity standpoint. Some employers will be willing to
>>>>>>>> accept a blind person with a mac since we can export office formats
>>>>>>>> and they would be willing to mix systems if they are able.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We need to locate employers willing to work with us and rehab or other
>>>>>>>> agencies who are willing to take on the challenge if for nothing less
>>>>>>>> than the potential cost savings.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know that there are a myriad of issues which we face with regard to
>>>>>>>> this ultimate goal of prominent positioning of mac in the work place
>>>>>>>> of the blind, but if we work together, perhaps we can move forward and
>>>>>>>> provide assistance in this important effort.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know that there are efforts ongoing at apple and lots of feedback
>>>>>>>> coming to them which they are paying attention to and which is helping
>>>>>>>> to guide them toward better accessibility. I'd like though to discuss
>>>>>>>> experiences and desires and perhaps translate some of those into
>>>>>>>> meaningful dialog with apple and microsoft.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Marcy
>>>>>>>> Hope you're having a nice day!
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jude <jdashiel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> "I love the Pope, I love seeing him in his Pope-Mobile, his three feet
>>>>>>> of bullet proof plexi-glass. That's faith in action folks! You know he's
>>>>>>> got God on his side."
>>>>>>> ~ Bill Hicks
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>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jonnie Appleseed
>>>>>> with his
>>>>>> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
>>>>>> reducing technology's disabilities
>>>>>> one byte at a time
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Marcy
>>>>>> Hope you're having a nice day!
>>>>>>
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