[macvoiceover] Re: what do we do about productivity on the mac?

There is a big problem in documents, whether it be Pages or Open Office where 
voice Over reads them as something like images.  I have to use Quick Look or 
copy and paste into an HTML app, such as a new message in Mail to get a decent 
read.  I do most of my word processing on Windows under Fusion of course but it 
is a shame as the Mac for me does everything else.  In fact, for me at least, 
it has given me things that Windows screen readers were never built to give, 
such as layout information from that brilliant trackpad idea, especially on the 
net!


On 2 Sep 2011, at 12:43, Rejean Proulx wrote:

> A legal action would likely go nowhere. There are alternatives like pages.
> 
> On 2011-09-02, at 7:21 AM, Justin Mann wrote:
> 
>> I think that Micosoft should be held accountable for not making office for 
>> the mac accessible.  However, unless you asa consumer decided t take legal 
>> action against them it would do little good.  
>> Windows does rule the workplace now, but that is changing.  After all, look 
>> at where iPads are starting to turn up as business solutions.  
>> On Sep 1, 2011, at 9:09 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> since we are talking about the workplace, and almost every office in the 
>>> world uses windows, isn't this kind of a pointless argument?  I'm not 
>>> saying MS Office shouldn't be made accessible on the Mac but, I think 
>>> improving iWork is even more important mainly because its the point of 
>>> least resistance.  Before we can even worry about office being accessible 
>>> on the Mac to improve working conditions for the blind, don't we need Macs 
>>> in the workplace first?
>>> 
>>> JMO.
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rwalker296@xxxxxxxxx
>>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
>>> www.mobileaccess.org
>>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2011, at 5:52 PM, Marcy Weinberg wrote:
>>> 
>>>> To make this clear, we are talking about the workplace, and Microsoft is 
>>>> the ruler there.  This is why it is so important for us to get Microsoft 
>>>> to make Office accessible.
>>>> 
>>>>> From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Date: September 1, 2011 5:21:34 PM EDT
>>>>> To: VO List <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: what do we do about productivity on the mac?
>>>>> Reply-To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please don't contact Microsoft about any of this!  They've messed up 
>>>>> Office 2007 in Windows badly enough in addition to doing a bad copy of 
>>>>> the Macintosh environment for Windows I don't want them making anything 
>>>>> on the mac accessible.  Better they should make Windows as installable 
>>>>> as Mac OSX is with speech coming on at the beginning of that process 
>>>>> first.  Then those that must use windows at home at least will be able 
>>>>> to reinstall it without sighted assistance when it gets compromised by 
>>>>> the latest malware.  One of the reasons I look forward to retirement is 
>>>>> I'll be able to go through a whole day with a computer and not be 
>>>>> required to use anything made by Microsoft.  Accessible versions of 
>>>>> OpenOffice have been available for some time by now and OpenOffice has 
>>>>> the active support of 10 corporations behind it rather than one 
>>>>> corporation.  The more brains, the better the product.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, 1 Sep 2011, Marcy Weinberg wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello, everyone,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I saw this message on another list, and felt it was important enough to 
>>>>>> post here.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> spreadsheets and documents and presentations, oh my!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Many blind folk are successfully employed for performing tasks which 
>>>>>> involve the above and have been for many years.  Few if any though are 
>>>>>> using the mac for many reasons but I want to focus on moving forward in 
>>>>>> areas in which we can move forward and to focus your attention and seek 
>>>>>> your assistance with those.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We need gallant folk to step up to Microsoft and shout out that office 
>>>>>> needs to be made accessible in order that the market for blind employees 
>>>>>> will be wider.  To do this, folk must provide concrete detailed and 
>>>>>> factual information about the issues of using Microsoft office on the 
>>>>>> mac.  You can even find some good stuff that is already written and 
>>>>>> submit it to them.  I don't have a handle on the Microsoft stream and 
>>>>>> cannot purchase the product so cannot help directly but am willing to 
>>>>>> help in any other way I can.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We need to provide solid feedback to apple on issues related to IWork 
>>>>>> from a productivity standpoint.  Some employers will be willing to 
>>>>>> accept a blind person with a mac since we can export office formats and 
>>>>>> they would be willing to mix systems if they are able.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We need to locate employers willing to work with us and rehab or other 
>>>>>> agencies who are willing to take on the challenge if for nothing less 
>>>>>> than the potential cost savings.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I know that there are a myriad of issues which we face with regard to 
>>>>>> this ultimate goal of prominent positioning of mac in the work place of 
>>>>>> the blind, but if we work together, perhaps we can move forward and 
>>>>>> provide assistance in this important effort.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I know that there are efforts ongoing at apple and lots of feedback 
>>>>>> coming to them which they are paying attention to and which is helping 
>>>>>> to guide them toward better accessibility.  I'd like though to discuss 
>>>>>> experiences and desires and perhaps translate some of those into 
>>>>>> meaningful dialog with apple and microsoft.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Marcy
>>>>>> Hope you're having a nice day!
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jude <jdashiel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> "I love the Pope, I love seeing him in his Pope-Mobile, his three feet
>>>>> of bullet proof plexi-glass. That's faith in action folks! You know he's
>>>>> got God on his side."
>>>>> ~ Bill Hicks
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>>>> one byte at a time
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>    -- 
>>>> Marcy
>>>> Hope you're having a nice day!
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