[macvoiceover] Re: what do we do about productivity on the mac?
- From: "Missy Hoppe" <melissah@xxxxxxxx>
- To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 05:13:01 -0400
I agree. I was telling myself that I'd stay out of this because, while it's a
noble effert, it just isn't a practical or
realistic one. When I got it into my head that I was going to get a Mac and try
to learn it, my state counselor explained
that it wasn't a purchase that he could assist me with because for the most
part, learning the Mac wouldn't make me more
employable. In retrospect, I'm honestly not sure I'd buy the mac if I had it to
do over again, but that's definitely not a
topic for this thread.
I think it's great that Mac has built in accessibility, but most work places I
know of aren't going to allow you to use your
own computers, so like it or not, folks, you're probably still going to have to
deal with windows, at least for the
forseeible future. Someone said that work place computers over all are getting
less accessible, and I'd sadly have to agree
with that. So many companies have really customized software that, at least the
last time I knew, screen readers just can't
touch. In situations like this, owning a Mac and being proficient in the use of
VO aren't going to save you.
Well, I'll send this off now. I'm not fully awake yet, and this could turn into
a completely off topic rant if I'm not
careful, but the long and short of it is that I agree with Ricardo.
Missy
-----Original Message-----
From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:09 PM
To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: what do we do about productivity on the mac?
Hi,
since we are talking about the workplace, and almost every office in the world
uses windows, isn't this kind of a pointless
argument? I'm not saying MS Office shouldn't be made accessible on the Mac
but, I think improving iWork is even more
important mainly because its the point of least resistance. Before we can even
worry about office being accessible on the
Mac to improve working conditions for the blind, don't we need Macs in the
workplace first?
JMO.
Ricardo Walker
rwalker296@xxxxxxxxx
Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
www.mobileaccess.org
On Sep 1, 2011, at 5:52 PM, Marcy Weinberg wrote:
> To make this clear, we are talking about the workplace, and Microsoft is the
> ruler there. This is why it is so important
for us to get Microsoft to make Office accessible.
>
>> From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: September 1, 2011 5:21:34 PM EDT
>> To: VO List <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: what do we do about productivity on the mac?
>> Reply-To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> Please don't contact Microsoft about any of this! They've messed up
>> Office 2007 in Windows badly enough in addition to doing a bad copy
>> of the Macintosh environment for Windows I don't want them making
>> anything on the mac accessible. Better they should make Windows as
>> installable as Mac OSX is with speech coming on at the beginning of
>> that process first. Then those that must use windows at home at
>> least will be able to reinstall it without sighted assistance when it
>> gets compromised by the latest malware. One of the reasons I look
>> forward to retirement is I'll be able to go through a whole day with
>> a computer and not be required to use anything made by Microsoft.
>> Accessible versions of OpenOffice have been available for some time
>> by now and OpenOffice has the active support of 10 corporations
>> behind it rather than one corporation. The more brains, the better the
>> product.
>>
>> On Thu, 1 Sep 2011, Marcy Weinberg wrote:
>>
>>> Hello, everyone,
>>>
>>> I saw this message on another list, and felt it was important enough to
>>> post here.
>>>
>>> spreadsheets and documents and presentations, oh my!
>>>
>>> Many blind folk are successfully employed for performing tasks which
>>> involve the above and have been for many years. Few
if any though are using the mac for many reasons but I want to focus on moving
forward in areas in which we can move forward
and to focus your attention and seek your assistance with those.
>>>
>>> We need gallant folk to step up to Microsoft and shout out that office
>>> needs to be made accessible in order that the
market for blind employees will be wider. To do this, folk must provide
concrete detailed and factual information about the
issues of using Microsoft office on the mac. You can even find some good stuff
that is already written and submit it to
them. I don't have a handle on the Microsoft stream and cannot purchase the
product so cannot help directly but am willing
to help in any other way I can.
>>>
>>> We need to provide solid feedback to apple on issues related to IWork from
>>> a productivity standpoint. Some employers
will be willing to accept a blind person with a mac since we can export office
formats and they would be willing to mix
systems if they are able.
>>>
>>> We need to locate employers willing to work with us and rehab or other
>>> agencies who are willing to take on the challenge
if for nothing less than the potential cost savings.
>>>
>>> I know that there are a myriad of issues which we face with regard to this
>>> ultimate goal of prominent positioning of mac
in the work place of the blind, but if we work together, perhaps we can move
forward and provide assistance in this important
effort.
>>>
>>> I know that there are efforts ongoing at apple and lots of feedback coming
>>> to them which they are paying attention to and
which is helping to guide them toward better accessibility. I'd like though to
discuss experiences and desires and perhaps
translate some of those into meaningful dialog with apple and microsoft.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Marcy
>>> Hope you're having a nice day!
>>>
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>>
>> Jude <jdashiel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> "I love the Pope, I love seeing him in his Pope-Mobile, his three
>> feet of bullet proof plexi-glass. That's faith in action folks! You
>> know he's got God on his side."
>> ~ Bill Hicks
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> reducing technology's disabilities
> one byte at a time
>
>
> --
> Marcy
> Hope you're having a nice day!
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