Wrong. My new Mac book Pro came with Snow Lepard. All I had to do to get Voice Over working was FN+command+F5. Sincerely, The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray!!! Now a Mac User!!! Phone: +1 (985) 360-3614 E-mail: rforetjr at comcast dot net Skype Name: barefootedray On Dec 23, 2009, at 8:26 PM, Stephanie wrote: will my new mac book pro come with snow lepard? A friend of mine says I'll have to install that to get voice over working... Steph At 12:31 PM 24/12/2009, you wrote: > Yeah, it's in Snow Lepard. I thought you had it and therefore, I was a > little confused about why you were talking about the VO lock. > > > Sincerely, > The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray!!! > > Now a Mac User!!! > > Phone: > +1 (985) 360-3614 > > E-mail: > rforetjr at comcast dot net > > Skype Name: > barefootedray > > On Dec 23, 2009, at 7:22 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote: > > That doesn't work in Leopard; I just tried it. That must be new in Snow > Leopard, which I don't have, as yet. I was going to get it but my wife > talked me out of it. I have the sneaking suspicion my kids are getting it > for me. But thanks for the correction. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. > > > On Dec 23, 2009, at 4:12 PM, Ray Foret jr wrote: > > Uh, I have to correct you on this one Rich. > > Quick nav is not activated by pressing control+option+semicolon. It's > activated by pressing the left and right arrow keys together. Once you've > done this, just press left right up and down arrows by themselves. To > interact with an item, press down and right arrows together. To stop > interacting, press down and left together. To activate an item, press up and > down together. To turn quick nav off, press left and right together. What > you were talking about was not quick nav; rather, it was the voice over lock > feature, which, I mainly use when selecting items non contiguously. > > > Sincerely, > The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray!!! > > Now a Mac User!!! > > Phone: > +1 (985) 360-3614 > > E-mail: > rforetjr at comcast dot net > > Skype Name: > barefootedray > > On Dec 23, 2009, at 7:06 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote: > > To activate Quick Nav, press VO+semicolon; Quick Nav is a way to lock the VO > keys so that they don't have to be pressed continually. And because it's a > toggle command, you can either turn Quick Nav on or off. When the VO keys > are locked, it's a way to use the arrow keys similarly to using them in > Windows, but without pressing the VO keys. Hope this makes sense. Richie > Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. > > > On Dec 23, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Joe Plummer wrote: > > Ok, but how does it work? > > > > Sign, > JP ( Joe Plummer) > joeplummer@xxxxxxx > > -----Original Message----- > From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ray Foret jr > Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 7:19 PM > To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: quick nav or not to quick nav: was: Re: Re: > links in mail > > Well Steph, > > Quick Nav is a way to use the arrow keys to navigate in Voice Over without > having to use the key combinations control+command with the right and left > arrow keys. If one has either a full Mac keyboard with the number key pad, > this is a moot point; since, after all, one can use the numpad commander to > do the very same thing. Now, if one does not have a built in number keypad > on the keyboard itself, quick nav does provide a very physically convenient > way to navigate with Voice Over so that one does not, (under most > circumstances) need to use the control+option+right or left arrow keys. I > do like it, but, as I say, for some strange reason, I drifted away from > using it after the second week or so. You, however, may find yourself > preferring it. It's a matter really of trying it out and seeing if you like > it. > > Merry Christmas. > > > Sincerely, > The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray!!! > > Now a Mac User!!! > > Phone: > +1 (985) 360-3614 > > E-mail: > rforetjr at comcast dot net > > Skype Name: > barefootedray > > On Dec 23, 2009, at 4:56 PM, Stephanie wrote: > > What exactly is this? > I can't wait to get my mac book pro tomorrow for Christmas. > Steph > At 09:24 AM 24/12/2009, you wrote: > > You know Judy, it's funny you should mention quick nav. When I first got > my Mac book Pro, I told myself that I'd almost never use the regular > command+option combination for the VO+* key strokes; instead, I'd use only > quick nav or else the Mac compatible number keypad. Guess what, though, I > did start out using quick nav for maybe the first week or so; but now, I > find, (perhaps ironically), that I almost never use quick nav anymore. I > must admit quite frankly that I surprised myself when I discovered that I > now usually use the regular VO keys. Why, I think maybe I know why. It has > to do with web navigation. If I'm entering a password in a password field, > I can't use quick nav to get quickly to the next field or button but must > use the regular VO keys. As for the USB number keypad, That's another > physical piece of equipment to lug around and so I just don't do it. When I > have my Mac book Pro on my lap in my living room and I'm watching a DVD in > 5.1 channel sound on my AV receiver, the last thing I want is to worry about > my USB number key pad. I find myself drifting more and more away from quick > nav; which, I must say, really is not what I expected. Still, it might be > good to play with it just to keep in practice. > > > > Thanks for the reminder that it even exists. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray!!! > > > > Now a Mac User!!! > > > > Phone: > > +1 (985) 360-3614 > > > > E-mail: > > rforetjr at comcast dot net > > > > Skype Name: > > barefootedray > > > > On Dec 23, 2009, at 2:44 PM, Judy Wilkinson wrote: > > > > I asked the original question and was chagrined the answer was so easy, bt > I want to add that I'm now doing many things with quick-nav such as opening > docs, expanding the attachments toggle, etc. saves a keystroke or two. > > Judy > > > > On Dec 23, 2009, at 8:15 AM, Ray Foret jr wrote: > > > >> Well, Nicole, > >> > >> You're skipping the first step. Before you press VO+space on a link, > you need to interact with the text. To do so, press vo+shift+down arrow. > >> > >> HTH. > >> > >> > >> Sincerely, > >> The Constantly BAREFOOTED Ray!!! > >> > >> Now a Mac User!!! > >> > >> Phone: > >> +1 (985) 360-3614 > >> > >> E-mail: > >> rforetjr at comcast dot net > >> > >> Skype Name: > >> barefootedray > >> > >> On Dec 23, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Nicole Hutchins wrote: > >> > >> Hi Group, > >> I saw the message a few days ago about copying a link from mail, but > when I did vo space, it didn't work for me. 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