[macvoiceover] Re: no nls for ipod ever:

Even thoguh I'm not in the US, so therefore do not have access to NLS content, I think since the iPod, and iPHone are now accessible to us, that those who have access to NLS content in the U.S should be able to play it on devices like the iPod touch, and iPhone. I agree with Greg's points in his earlier email.

On Oct 23, 2009, at 8:55 PM, David Poehlman wrote:

nls stated that they will not make it possible for the ipod to play their digital talking books. this was published on the nls bard discuss list.

On Oct 23, 2009, at 8:29 PM, Greg Kearney wrote:

First off I would like to know where this information comes from. We at ABWA are working on a version of Olearia, the Macintosh DAISY playback software for iPhone and iPod Touch and while our work has been focused reading non encrypted books with the exception of RFB&D material we have considered once we were finished going to NLS with Apple and asking that the iPhone and iPod Touch be approved with our software and NLS keys for approval.

We have yet to approach the NLS in this as we wanted the software finished first before doing so.

I have heard that the NLS will not approve software playback on computers of any type. A move I find both short sighted and which will almost certainly lead to unauthorized playback which will fall outside of the control of the NLS.

There are several ways that the NLS could provide both security and portability of playback such as using non-linear filenames for the audio. While it is possible to undo this most people would never bother. It is my understanding that U.S. copyright law requires only a "special format" which DAISY is. THe NLS seems to have gone overboard in the protection issues. All this for a system that can be defeated with a simple wire between a player and a computer.

This protection system would also seem to lead to problems for inter- library loan of NLS books. Here in Australia we would get NLS books on tape from time to time. The whole issue of how NLS books are to be shared by inter-library loan with libraries such as us here in Australia seems to have never been addressed in all of this as we would not have authorized players here.

Gregory Kearney
Manager - Accessible Media
Association for the Blind of Western Australia
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On 23/10/2009, at 10:28 PM, David Poehlman wrote:

All;

I've received information that nls will not make it possible to play their digital talking books on ipods and iphones etc.

This is indeed distressing and if you are concerned, please contact the administration of the nls digital talking book program, your state representatives and your state legislature to boost this. It is of grave concern to voiceover users since the ipod is the most widely used portable digital media player available and the books are after all digital media.

Further, it has come to my attention that software will not be produced or authorized by NLS for the purpose of reading digital talking books on any computer which effectively stonewalling itunes from accessing them legally. If we were to undertake an illegal approach, we'd be punnished in some way or another if they found out yet they leave no alternative avenue open and this is after all tax payer dollar we are talking about.

Why shoule we be forced to purchase or be handed a proprietary player that is over priced when we already have players as inexpensive as the ipod nano at under $60 at our disposal. I know the nano might not be able to play a huge book, but most books are not huge and many of us have ipods larger in capacity than the nano and wiITunes is available and accessible on both platforms.

Thanks for listening.


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