Most of us are here to learn about function, not get political. Has this topic not gone long enough?
On 19-Jun-09, at 4:59 PM, Tim Grady wrote:
I beg to differ with you, but it's your list, but it seems to me that I only posted two messages on this topic, hardly read this list, and feel that I haven't posted anything on this topic since. Seems to me that if you really wanted discussion to stop you might mention people who have really cluttered up your list rather than people who happen to have a difference of opinion.On Jun 17, 2009, at 12:19 PM, Keith Reedy wrote:Tim, please take this off list. Thanks. Keith Reedy On Jun 17, 2009, at 11:36 AM, Tim Grady wrote:You ask that as if that were something he was willing to do. Well, maybe he isn't, and he would probably think the same about you that you think about him.On Jun 17, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Marcy Weinberg wrote:And why can't the windows user put aside those concepts and learn the mac independently? I understand that perhaps it is difficult for some to get out of that mindset, but I think I would have driven myself nuts if I kept trying to compare how I did something in windows with windwow-eyes to how I do it on the mac with vo. Just my 2 cents... MarcyOn Jun 17, 2009, at 10:46 AM, David Poehlman wrote: his information was woefully incorrect. On Jun 17, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Tim Grady wrote:Not saying this to you personally, but all of this is kind of silly. I don't know what the market share in the blind community of windows users is but I can say that it is high, so to see an article that isn't that favorable to Voiceover isn't surprising. I don't think that the NFB is "trashing voiceover", I think it was just an article by someone who uses windows most of the time and just like someone who never used a Windows screenreader before but had only used Voiceover, when having to write an article, their opinions of the screenreaders were schewed. You guys are much to sensitive.On Jun 10, 2009, at 1:51 PM, Marty Rimpau wrote:Hi all, it is obvious that the person who wrote the article hadn't explored the menus of mail, and wasn't aware of the items that could be checked in the view menu, but they kept insisting on using windows standards for everything, when mac and windows aren't the same thing, though I will say, I do wish there were a mode of the voice over tutorial for people coming from windows, so that the windows user would immediately be aware of the diferences, and put aside some of those concepts.--Original Message Text--- From: David Poehlman Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 08:10:43 -0400 Begin forwarded message: From: Anne Robertson <conseil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: June 10, 2009 3:50:14 AM EDT To: Snow Leopard <seedvosnowleopard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: And a beta tester wrote this Hello everyone,I just read this article and noticed that it was written by someone on this list. I wouldn't mind if the observations were fair and reasonable, but they're not.Who ever heard of anyone learning to use Windows with Jaws without training? Apple is being held to a completely different standard from any other hardware or software or screenReader provider.Here's the link: All;While not surprising, This article certainly shows a good deal of what the nfb is all about here and this after they went around saying they were responsible for apple making ITunes and the IPod accessible.http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/bm/bm09/bm0906/bm090606.htm MartyClick on the link below to go to our homepage. http://www.icanworkthisthing.comManage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below.//www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxwith 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Webinterface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover-- Wordy Mom Think positive, ...be positive, ...your cup is always half full.Click on the link below to go to our homepage. http://www.icanworkthisthing.comManage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below.//www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxwith 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Webinterface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceoverClick on the link below to go to our homepage. http://www.icanworkthisthing.comManage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below.//www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxwith 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Webinterface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceoverClick on the link below to go to our homepage. http://www.icanworkthisthing.comManage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below.//www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxwith 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Webinterface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceoverClick on the link below to go to our homepage. http://www.icanworkthisthing.comManage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below.//www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxwith 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Webinterface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
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