[macvoiceover] Re: Voiceover Feature Enhancements

Well, it's four keys you have to hold down at the same time smile. 

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Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Voiceover Feature Enhancements

what's rong with vo-shift-f3?

On Jan 21, 2009, at 3:38 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

I'll have to investigate what the numpad can and can't do, i wonder if  
it can turn individual tracking of cursors on and off? I mean that if  
i want the mouse cursor turned off in a situation can the Numpad be  
designed to turn just that cursor tracking off/on?
/Krister


21 jan 2009 kl. 20.39 skrev Sara:

> I need it for cursor tracking and such. I don't want that on or off  
> all the time and going to the VO utility is a pain if I need to  
> change these often. So, unless numpad can do this with the press of  
> a key, I need app-specific settings for cursor and mouse tracking  
> and that. About changing speech settings sure, I'd like the key echo  
> on sometimes and off other times. That's about all I'd bother  
> changing from app to app at the moment.
> Sara
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Travis Siegel
> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:22 AM
> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Voiceover Feature Enhancements
>
> Actually, the second one (move from window to window, and have vo  
> remember where you were in the previous window already works in most  
> cases, it depends a lot on the kind of application, and the state of  
> voiceover at the time of the switch.
> I.E. if I'm in preview, and scrolling a pdf document, then I switch  
> to text edit, read a little, (or write a little) then switch back to  
> preview, I merely need to interact with the pdf content again, and  
> I'm right back where I was.  Same with switching back to text edit.
> What particular problem were you having with this feature?
> As for the skipping by sentence/paragraph/whatever while in read all  
> mode, I'm not sure that's the point of read all mode.
> If you wish to read *all* the content on the page, then skipping  
> parts of text isn't exactly reading all, and therefore wouldn't  
> really fit with what the command is suppposed to do.
> If you want to skip portions of reading, just use navigational keys  
> to move around the text, there are keystrokes for moving vi word,  
> sentence and paragraph.  I've never used this method of reading,  
> (with the exception of group mode in safari) so no real experience  
> with how well this method works, but perhaps others could comment.
> And, as for the configurations based on application, this is  
> something a lot of folks ask for when they're fresh from windows,  
> because that's what they're used to with windows-based screen readers.
> And, while I admit, a feature like this one might be kind of neat, I  
> rarely find a use for such a feature.
> It's easy enough to change the vo basic settings such as rate, pitch  
> and volume on the fly using the ctrl-option-command-arrow key  
> combinations that I really don't think it's all that necessary to  
> have a per-application settings capability.
> OSX isn't like windows in that each and every application requires  
> an entirely new set of graphic labeling files, scripts to move  
> around the screen, and macros to read parts of the screen  
> automatically.  A lot of the functionality has been built-in to vo,  
> and honestly, I just dont see a need for that level of  
> configuration, though I'm sure others disagree with me, but  
> honestly, I almost never change my vo settings while using my  
> machine, and don't really see any need to do so.
> If you have the numpad commander turned on, you can assign a lot of  
> vo functions to your keypad, and thus remove most of the need to  
> configure things separately for different applications.
> Of course, each person works differently, and I'm sure there's  
> opposing points of view on this topic, so let's ear them folks.  I'm  
> curious.  Do you in general think we need application-level  
> configurations, and if so, for which options?
> What would you change from app to app that would require a  
> configuration file for each application you run?
> Help me out.  I've been using vo for over 3 years, and I just don't  
> see this kind of need, but I'm by far generally the exception, and  
> not the rule, so let's discuss this one, and find out what others  
> think.
>
>
> On Jan 20, 2009, at 9:58 PM, E.J. Zufelt wrote:
>
>> Good evening,
>>
>> There are three significant feature enhancements that I believe are  
>> necessary in Voiceover.  I have sent these requests to
accessibility@xxxxxxxxx 
>>  and would strongly encourage you all to send in a message as well  
>> supporting these requests.  I would also love it if you could  
>> forward this message to any Voiceover users that you know who do  
>> not read this list.
>>
>> 1. Configuration options that are configurable on a per-application  
>> basis.
>>
>> 2. The ability to move from one window to another (for example  
>> Preview to Mail) and have VO remember where you wre in the original  
>> document when you return.
>>
>> 3. The ability to skip the current sentence or paragraph while VO  
>> is in continual reading mode.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Everett
>
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