[macvoiceover] Re: Voiceover Feature Enhancements

  • From: Jacob Schmude <j.schmude@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:09:01 -0500

Hi Krister
Yep I've submitted it. I know the people at the accessibility email address listen, but as to whether feature requests get implemented I can't say. I like your idea of moving the mouse with tones as window bridge did, NVDA has something similar to this though it is entirely pitch-based and doesn't utilize stereo sounds for left to right. I'd forgotten how much I missed that for difficult programs.



On Jan 21, 2009, at 15:27, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

Ok, i can see your point about redefining keys even if i wouldn't use it. Is there currently a way in VO to move the mouse in smallish increments other than moving the physical mouse? If not I'll add to my "my only feature" list and add moving mouse in smallish increments. This could be done in two ways. Either you do as they do in Nvda or Window bridge, and have a tone beep when you move the mouse. It could go up and down in pitch when you moved up and down and from left speaker to right when you moved left and right. This is the way Nvda does it. The other way would be to allow some VO command to move the mouse in user adjustable small increments like 1, 3, 5 and so on pixels. This could be good if you wanted to move somewhere you can't go with the VO commands of today. Lastly, Jacob have you submitted the hot spots suggestion to Apple accessibility? I would do it, but i think you are more techy than i and thus can explain so that the technisians at Apple would listen.:-)
/Krister


21 jan 2009 kl. 13.00 skrev Jacob Schmude:

Hi
I'm not sure this is the only enhancement I'd like to see in VO, but I agree 100% with you on this one. I loved that ability in Outspoken. You could name a hotspot and give it a key combination, though VO's implementation of hotspots would need some work before you could use it the way you could use it in Outspoken. For instance, at the moment the hotspot saves the item at the voiceover cursor location. If you can't get to the control with VO, or VO can't see it for any other reason, this wouldn't help at all right now. The answer to that is pretty simple: implement mouse hotspots. Another feature I'd like to see in VO is the ability to redefine all key commands, VO key and otherwise. I don't personally need to redefine them, but the current VO keys do not work with any non- latin keyboard layouts and this is a problem for many. I'd also like to see hotkeys to switch to voices in a predefined list--i.e. you define preset voices and switch to them with a key. This would be very useful for situations where you need to switch back and fourth between languages. Finally, I'd like to see Apple lift the limits on speech rates in both the Voiceover utility and in System prefs. There's no need to attempt to limit us to the slower rates when the voices can clearly go much faster.



On Jan 21, 2009, at 05:35, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

The only, and i repeat the *only* feature i would like to see in Voiceover is some development of a feature already present in VO. Back in the Outspoken days, you could mark hot spots on the screen and give them names, and then you could navigate to them using that name. In VO there's a similar concept, only you can't give hot spots a name only a number and the hot spots aren't saved on a per application basis, in fact they are not saved. That's too bad because that feature in combination with the ability to move the mouse in smallish increments would be very helpful in places where you can't access a control or graphic or what have you in any other way.
/Krister


21 jan 2009 kl. 05.20 skrev Sara:

I wish there was a feature to turn off speech and just have braille and no I don't mean just turning down the volume. smile I'd also like to see braille able to not follow the cursor so I could read while somebody was typing. I also get frustrated when I command tab back into pages or another word processor, that VO insists on reading my whole document to me instead of just the line I am on or even nothing.
I totally agree we need app specific settings.
I think the knowing when and when not to interact might be difficult as how would VO know when you need to interact or not? I think this kind of thing can be found out by trial and error. What I really wish somebody would do is write VO-specific documentation for Apple software like iWork or iLife so people would know what to do if they can't just click everywhere.
Well, that's it for now.
Sara


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