Here is a site where you can find lots of guides and helps from an end users standpoint, http://www.icanworkthisthing.com/docs/mac_with_voiceover/index.shtml Keith Reedy HTH. keithreedy@xxxxxxxxxxxx On Sep 23, 2011, at 2:31 PM, Ian Edwards wrote: > Hmm, I get what your'e saying about an example. > > The section of the getting started guide on working with text only references > VoiceOver navigation, it doesn't reference using standard navigation keys. > While this isn't specifically a VoiceOver issue, VoiceOver is still the > primary interface. Being new to the Mac the small differences between it and > Windows are a fairly constant trip up. Perhaps adding some of these basics > for new users. > > > Related to this, are there good tutorials for using common programs with > VoiceOver? > > Cheers, > > Ian > > On 2011-09-23, at 12:21 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: > >> not sure what you mean, an example would help. as far as apple getting >> feedback, just write: >> acessibility@xxxxxxxxx >> >> On Sep 23, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Ian Edwards wrote: >> >> What's the process for passing along suggestions to Apple for documentation? >> I'd like to have access to information about how standard keys interact with >> VoiceOver. The current documentation makes assumptions about how you'll >> navigate that aren't necessarily the case. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Ian >> >> On 2011-09-22, at 12:37 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: >> >>> actually, we should probably discuss with apple what needs to be done to >>> enrich the vo documentation in this regard. When you read the vo >>> documentation, you get the impression that tab and space do nothing when in >>> fact, we can use them just like we do in other environments. The other >>> commands that vo has subs for should be pointed out as well. >>> >>> On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:33 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: >>> >>> <giggle> >>> >>> On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:32 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>> >>> Because its not a voiceover command. >>> >>> hth >>> >>> Ricardo Walker >>> rwalker296@xxxxxxxxx >>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 >>> www.mobileaccess.org >>> >>> On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Ian Edwards wrote: >>> >>>> Ok, command up and down arrow just worked to go to top and bottom of >>>> document. Why wasn't this listed in the getting started guide with >>>> VoiceOver guide? >>>> >>>> Ian >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2011-09-22, at 12:00 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: >>>> >>>>> it's a scrolling window but it might work at that. >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 22, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> wouldn't just pressing command up or down do the exact same thing? It >>>>> works in all other edit fields so I wouldn't think Pages would be any >>>>> different. >>>>> >>>>> Ricardo Walker >>>>> rwalker296@xxxxxxxxx >>>>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 >>>>> www.mobileaccess.org >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 22, 2011, at 1:42 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> you should be able to do this by interacting using control-down arrow >>>>>> and then using shift-fn-control-option left for top and right for >>>>>> bottom. remember, you can lock the control option with >>>>>> conrol-option-semi-colon and unlock with semi-colon to reduce finger >>>>>> strain. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll have to test this in pages but if I remember, it does work. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 22, 2011, at 12:57 PM, Ian Edwards wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Ok, I assume this a basic I just haven't dialled into yet. If I'm in a >>>>>> document in Pages, the command for going to top and bottom of document >>>>>> respectively, it but the actual cursor doesn't always go there. >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there a specific way to do this in respect to interacting ro tracking >>>>>> or something like that I'm missing? >>>>>> >>>>>> Ian >>>>>> announces > >>>>>>> Click on the link below to go to our homepage. >>>>>>> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. >>>>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to >>>>>>> macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web >>>>>>> interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Jonnie Appleseed >>>>>> with his >>>>>> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s >>>>>> reducing technology's disabilities >>>>>> one byte at a time >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Click on 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