Hi folks, Until about 6 months ago I did not need to keep this list in moderation to keep it on topic and I want to see it that way again. Let me restate the purpose for the list. Voiceover on the MAC Voiceover on the iPhone and Voiceover on the iPad. This is not a Windows list, nor is it a list to compare Window-eyes, JFW and Voiceover. It is a list to learn and teach Voiceover. It is not a list to vent about the way Apple does things, it is a list to learn and teach Voiceover. If you are going to give an answer to a question give a complete answer. If you really don't know the answer, then don't give an answer. As of this evening, any one who applies for membership to this list will need to be approved by a moderator. If this list is too narrow in scope for you, here is a link to some other MAC list. http://www.icanworkthisthing.com/important_information_links.shtml Now, please keep it voiceover and please be kind to one another. Most of the 240 folks on this list have been very kind and a joy to talk to and I want to thank you. Keith Reedy admin> > Click on the link below to go to our homepage. > http://www.icanworkthisthing.com > > Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. > //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to > macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web > interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >