I'm having this issue also. I wonder if it has something to do with a cursor tracking setting in the VoiceOver utility. From: ganahee@xxxxxxxxx Subject: [macvoiceover] Strange VO behavior in menus with items having sub-menus Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:16:40 -0500 To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Hi everyone, Got the new kitty installed on Friday, late in the afternoon. All seemed to go well, but I've encountered a strange problem when I access menus using VO. I opted for doing the upgrade, rather than the clean install, figuring everything should function normally. Prior to upgrading, I did do a permissions repair, and my most up-to-date version of Leopard was 10.5.8. When I'm in the Apple menu, for example, I can use VO-Up/Down to arrow through the menu and all is well. When I reach "Dock", which has a sub-menu, VO says, "Dock Dock, sub-menu, 6 items". Continuing to use VO-Up/Down simply gets me "Dock Dock, sub-menu, 6 items". It appears that I'm stuck on that menu item. Now, if I simply use the arrow keys, without the VO keys, I can actually navigate the sub-menu of the Dock menu item under the Apple menu. If I Left-arrow, I hear nothing but if I VO-arrow up or down, it appears that I'm back at the top of the menu. If I bring up the Apple menu, using VO, then simply use the arrow keys, all things seem to work fine. This behavior seems to be present in all menus - application, contextual, etc, where there are menu items which have sub-menus. It appears that I even seem to have this problem with the popup menus in the VO utility, and I'm sure it happens in other places. Did a clean install of SL on a small drive I have, and all things seem to function normally - this only seems to happen on my MacBook, and also on my friend's Mac Mini - we both use our computers completely differently but we must have something in common which is causing the issues I've described. Anyone have any thoughts, ideas, suggestions, etc? Any help will be greatly appreciated! If necessary, please feel free to contact me, off-list. Take care, Ron J. Ron J. | AKA Ganahee Check out my blog at: http://ganahee.wordpress.com/ Messenger Services: AIM: Ganahee MSN: Ganahee@xxxxxxxxxxx Skype: Ganahee Twitter: Ganahee_SD Yahoo!: Ganahee Alternate Contact: E-Mail: Ganahee@xxxxxxxxx Phone, Home: 605-425-3270 Phone, Cell: 605-759-0694 "For millions of years, mankind lived, just like the animals. Then something happened, which unleashed the power of our imagination - we learned to talk." From the MD "The Division Bell", the track "Keep Talking".