[macvoiceover] Re: Office 2008

I tend to agree. Not really because I know anything about Coco, but because 
when they updated Office, Voiceover was already a fixture. I don't think I can 
be convinced that Microsoft didn't know about it when they updated, so either 
they knew it was inaccessible and didn't fix it, or they thought so little 
about it that they didn't even bother to check whether it was or not. Either 
way, there's culpability there, and their silence about the issue also speaks 
volumes, at least to me. If I'm wrong, I'd love to be corrected, but I've never 
seen any explanation for it, or any reliable information that they're aware its 
a problem and are working to fix it, even if the fix won't come until the next 
release of the software.

I am still a little bit hopeful they'll add accessibility, though. There are 
more blind users switching to the Mac, even if the increase is slow, and unless 
Apple suddenly changes course, it seems to me that Voiceover will keep getting 
better. If that's correct, I'm not really sure that MS would continue to make a 
product that just doesn't work for us. I'd also like to think that, even if 
they don't embrace the Mac as a platform, at least a few of the organisations 
working on the half of blind people would start making some noise about it. 
They don't have to be a fan of the Mac platform to know that those of us who 
are should be allowed to use it without unnecessary barriers.

On 24 Jan 2010, at 01:41, John Panarese wrote:

>     That is entirely up to Microsoft.  In reality, it should be, as it was 
> rewritten in Coco.  However, for whatever the reason, whether on purpose or 
> not, the product is still inaccessible.  This is, of course, a matter of 
> opinion, but, to me, you have to go out of your way to make something 
> inaccessible with Coco.
> 
> 
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> On Jan 23, 2010, at 5:47 PM, Nicole Hutchins wrote:
> 
>> Is there any chance that MS office would be accessible in the future that we 
>> know of?
>> 
>> On Jan 23, 2010, at 3:53 PM, Tim Grady wrote:
>> 
>>> That should work better than pages or open office, although I would try to 
>>> find Nisus Writer pro on sale.
>>> On Jan 23, 2010, at 1:34 PM, Keith Reedy wrote:
>>> 
>>>> John and all,
>>>> 
>>>> I recently switch to Nisus Writer Express a great little word processor.
>>>> 
>>>> Keith Reedy
>>>> On Jan 23, 2010, at 12:13 PM, John Panarese wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I don't know much about templates, but I'd be curious to know if either 
>>>>> Open Office or Pages will enable one to get around the need for MS 2008.  
>>>>> I wouldn't be surprised if either of those apps will do the job for you.  
>>>>> I know they both will recognize and use a variety of formats and such.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Take Care
>>>>> 
>>>>> John D. Panarese
>>>>> Managing Director
>>>>> Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc.
>>>>> 9 Nolan Court
>>>>> Hauppauge, NY 11788
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>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 22, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Amanda wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> That's a shame.  I need to use Microsoft office as I need to use 
>>>>>> Microsoft Templates for work.
>>>>>> On 23/01/2010, at 1:31 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> I don't think MS Office is usable with VoiceOver, unless something has 
>>>>>>> changed I didn't know about.
>>>>>>> But, so far, MS Office hasn't been usable for us VO users on the Mac, 
>>>>>>> but that's OK since there are alternatives for MS Office products.
>>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>>> Jeffrey
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda" <pebbles11@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 7:30 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [macvoiceover] Office 2008
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Is Office 2008 usable with voiceover?  I'm interested particularly in 
>>>>>>>> Word.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Amanda
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