I agree. nothing is for everyone. On Jun 25, 2009, at 9:59 AM, Richard Ring wrote: Now, here is my professional opinion. The iPhone is an excellent alternative for many blind people. However, as a technology teacher, I can tell you that there will be individuals who will have trouble learning it. That doesn't make the iPhone a bad thing, but I don't get to pick and choose those whom I instruct, and everyone simply doesn't learn at the same level, nor do they grasp technology concepts at the same rate and with the same proficiency. I was as excited to see the iPhone as the next person, but I know that I would almost have to use headphones to understand Samantha, bless her heart! -----Original Message----- From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Poehlman Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:54 AM To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Iphone: entering numbers while on a call ok, I don't think we are getting this right, you are perfectly within your right to do what you have stated. At first, it seemed you were offering yourproffessional opinion. after that, at least I just wanted to know what the issue is. granted, samantha, granted, you ave trouble with touch screens. On Jun 25, 2009, at 9:42 AM, Richard Ring wrote: I have played with it. I have difficulty understanding the speech, and I don't feel as though I can do touch screens all that well. What I find interesting is that if I offer an opinion which only covers my personal view, it is as if I have transgressed. I wish I could use the iPhone, but I know what I can and cannot do. If it had a different voice, I might well try one. I agree with what has been said about Windows Mobile phones running Mobile/Speak. Talks and Symbian I believe work far better. -----Original Message----- From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Poehlman Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:05 AM To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Iphone: entering numbers while on a call I find it interesting that someone watching someone learn to use an IPhone or any device can draw any vlid conclusions on what their competence with the device might be. Were I evaluating the product, I'd look to the experts and yes, we have some really expert stuff already available from shane's podcasts and josh and the gang. Apple and AT&T are changing what it means to be blind. On Jun 24, 2009, at 8:55 PM, John Panarese wrote: Obviously, when the day is done, ones personal preferences and choice is all that matters. I do find it fascinating with any product, not just the iPhone, that some folks express definite opinions without ever having used or tried a product or base their thoughts on expectation and estimation alone. However, as I said, that occurs with any opinion, and with the iPhone, the moment I read about it, I knew it would surpass my experiences with any other cell phone. I email and text message just fine, and, in fact, I find it easier to text message on the iPhone than using the key pad on my Nokia. Interestingly enough, business is the main target for the 3.0 software, which includes Exchange support, among other Enterprise related features. Ironically, , I have recently read three articles that strongly indicate that the iPhone is simply not a "fun phone" geared for the consumer market alone. I just spoke to a woman who told me her company is going to be switching to iPhones for the entire field staff of over 1500 people by September. This appears to be more than just a minor trend, according to an recent article in the Wall Street Journal. Take Care John D. Panarese Managing Director Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc. 9 Nolan Court Hauppauge, NY 11788 Tel/Fax, (631) 724-4479 Email, tvii@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Internet, http://www.tvi-web.com AUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTORS FOR PORTSET SYSTEMS LTD, COMPSOLUTIONS VA, PREMIER ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGIES, INDEX, PAPENMEIER, REPRO-TRONICS, DUXBURY, SEROTEK AND OTHER PRODUCTS FOR THE BLIND AND VISUALLY IMPAIRED AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Jun 24, 2009, at 6:00 PM, Richard Ring wrote:
Of course not. iPhones are selling like crazy. I'm simply saying that I have been watching someone learn to use one, and I can't imagine relying on this device to do email, texting etc. This doesn't mean that people aren't going to do it, I am speaking strictly for me. I really get the impression that the iPhone is more of a fun phone than a business phone, that is all I am saying. I think that apple should be seriously commended for coming up with a way to make this device accessible. Ok, I'm old fashioned, I like physical buttons. -----Original Message----- From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Shane Jackson Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 3:06 PM To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Iphone: entering numbers while on a call Well said, John. I'm talking to my wife and checking weather as we speak. Well, I was just talking to her, if you want to get technical. now, I'm typing to this list on my Mac. GOod stuff! Shane Jackson Vestavia Hills, Alabama, USA. Email & MSN: jack728@xxxxxxxxx Skype: cadal728 Twitter: jack728 On Jun 24, 2009, at 2:58 PM, John Panarese wrote:I'm not sure what you mean by "actual work". Like any new device, it takes getting used to and using it. In doing so, you find ways of getting tasks done. At this stage, those of us who have iPhones are learning and exploring and becoming confident and proficient with them. I'm going to try this shortly, but I think one can check weather and make appointments while on a call. Additionally, I have no idea why a big deal is being made about using a headset. The earphones that come with the iPhone are not at all clumsy or awkward. Also, as has been mentioned, there are other ways around the issue of the screen being locked during a call, which, as far as I can tell, has not slowed the rate of sales of the device in the market place. Take Care John D. Panarese Managing Director Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc. 9 Nolan Court Hauppauge, NY 11788 Tel/Fax, (631) 724-4479 Email, tvii@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Internet, http://www.tvi-web.com AUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTORS FOR PORTSET SYSTEMS LTD, COMPSOLUTIONS VA, PREMIER ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGIES, INDEX, PAPENMEIER, REPRO-TRONICS, DUXBURY, SEROTEK AND OTHER PRODUCTS FOR THE BLIND AND VISUALLY IMPAIRED AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Jun 24, 2009, at 3:47 PM, Richard Ring wrote:My best friend is now the proud owner of an iPhone, and she loves it. She can't text as fast as I can, but I can't tell my phone what music to play with my voice. What I would have to say though is, I can't imagine doing what I would call actual work with the iPhone. However, I could be wrong and only time will tell. From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:macvoiceover- bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 2:40 PM To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Iphone: entering numbers while on a call Hmm. That's a real minus. I never use a headset with my phone. Donna From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:macvoiceover- bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex de Jong Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 3:28 PM To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Iphone: entering numbers while on a call No: they expect you to use the iPhone with it's headset That's all. Because then you have access to the phone's full functionality, e.g. adding an appointment to the calendar, then coming back to the phone app etc. On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Marco <news@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: So I guess Apple isn't perfect after all. They do have their hardware flaws as well as software problems. It's the only thing about mac users that drives me nuts is that they claim that their company is without flaws and that only Microsoft has problems. Hurray! Thank you Apple for joining the real world of digital! Marco -----Original Message----- From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Poehlman Sent: June 24, 2009 8:22 AM To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Iphone: entering numbers while on a call click ad call or hold and it should work. On Jun 24, 2009, at 10:18 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: This question was posed on another list. Anyone know the answer? Best, Donna "i'm shocked I haven't come across this before, but how exactly is one supposed to enter touch tones while on a call? 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