We all have different ideas as to what we want and need a phone to do. My feelings about the iPhone is that it amazing that it is accessible as it is, and I am impressed with what it can do. However, I don't think I want one right now. That is not a flame, it is an expression of an opinion. My friend Sarah had an amazing time moving her contacts from a Nokia phone to the iPhone. First she had to use a piece of software from Nokia to sync her contacts with Windows. Then she had to use iTunes to sync them with her phone. Then there are ring tones. My friend likes to create her own ring tones. Apple has a proprietary file format that ring tones must have. So, her ring tones had to first be converted, and then synced with iTunes. Now, the interesting thing about this is, that any ring tones that she had whose length exceeded 30 seconds were not allowed by iTunes. Again, I am not flaming anyone, I am stating the facts as I observed them. I'm not opposed to iPhones. Here's another interesting thing. She could not activate her phone by herself. She could have been doing something wrong, she simply doesn't know. She connected her phone to her PC which was running iTunes 8.2 for Windows. iTunes found the hone and asked for her phone number and her billing zip code. Then she clicked a continue button. She was then placed in a license agreement screen. She clicked an I agree button. She then got a screen stating that her request was being processed and that it might take up to three minutes. Three hours later, that same screen was showing. We eventually took the phone to an AT&T store, and the employee activated it in about two minutes. For the life of me, I don't know what we were doing wrong. -----Original Message----- From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Poehlman Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 2:49 PM To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Iphone: entering numbers while on a call We are here to explore the issues and find solutions, not flame and rag and it's sad that this stuff has gotten mixed into this thread. On Jun 24, 2009, at 3:42 PM, Marco wrote: Not being able to access voice mail and the weather services and telephone banking, basically anything that requires access to a touch tone pad makes the IPhone non business friendly as I am needing access to my voice mail and other services and the IPhone seems like a pain for doing business related stuff. Any phone can check the weather and read blogs and so on. I do this routinely on my nokia E71 and not only that, it does it very well including being able to access voice mail and tele banking. These services don't give you udles of time to feel around on a screen looking for your num pad and to do the double tap. Although, I have to say, that apple and Microsoft are the same in that they like having propriortary software that no one can modify but them. Microsoft is coming out with windows 7 which from what I read is an awesome OS and I will be one to get me that machine regardless of what my apple mac friends think. I saw the material about apple being angry about the IPhone's competitor, the palm treo pre which at least has a qwerty keyboard that you can dial numbers when doing telebanking. The business community loves the palm treo pre because of this. Now let us pressure the accessibility providers to give us access to the palm treo pre. Touch screens can be really irritating when on a mobile device. Touch screens, in my opinion and experience, belong on notebooks and desktops where you have a stable surface to operate with and not on a mobile device.. Now it would be exciting if Apple came out with voiceover that uses a touch screen monitor. Marco -----Original Message----- From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ignasi Cambra Sent: June 24, 2009 1:14 PM To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Iphone: entering numbers while on a call I will only say that I agree... On Jun 24, 2009, at 3:00 PM, John Panarese wrote: > No one or no company is perfect, but I'd take Apple's > imperfections over Microsoft's any day of the week. At least Apple > attempts to correct them and usually does not create other problems > while doing so. What few "limitations" or "problems" I have found > on the iPhone are non-factors. This blows the doors off of Windows > mobile Completely. > > Take Care > > John D. Panarese > Managing Director > Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc. > 9 Nolan Court > Hauppauge, NY 11788 > Tel/Fax, (631) 724-4479 > Email, tvii@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Internet, http://www.tvi-web.com > > AUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTORS FOR PORTSET SYSTEMS LTD, COMPSOLUTIONS VA, > PREMIER ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGIES, INDEX, PAPENMEIER, REPRO-TRONICS, > DUXBURY, SEROTEK AND OTHER PRODUCTS FOR THE BLIND AND VISUALLY > IMPAIRED > > AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE > MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > > On Jun 24, 2009, at 12:50 PM, Marco wrote: > >> So I guess Apple isn't perfect after all. They do have their >> hardware flaws >> as well as software problems. It's the only thing about mac users >> that >> drives me nuts is that they claim that their company is without >> flaws and >> that only Microsoft has problems. Hurray! Thank you Apple for >> joining the >> real world of digital! >> Marco >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:macvoiceover-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David >> Poehlman >> Sent: June 24, 2009 8:22 AM >> To: macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Iphone: entering numbers while on a call >> >> click ad call or hold and it should work. >> >> On Jun 24, 2009, at 10:18 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >> This question was posed on another list. Anyone know the answer? >> Best, >> Donna >> "i'm shocked I haven't come across this before, but how exactly is >> one >> supposed to enter touch tones while on a call? 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