Wow, well, you have some excellent points and hopefully as more and more people use voiceover these things will happen. Hopefully some good things will come up in leopard the next release of os10. It's goonna get better!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald Johnson" <ganahee@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 8:13 PM Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Introduction
Hi John! Thanks for the welcome!I say what I do, mainly because, for one thing, it was looking as though iTunes would *never* be accessible. Also, every time Software Update tells me there's ann OS update, I'm expecting to see substantive changes to VoiceOver i.e. being able to see the attributes of things on web pages, new reading commands in VoiceOver, programs, such as Safari not being "Busy" so much, and the like - and they just aren't there. VoiceOver just doesn't seem to be getting the updates/features that JAWS is/does. Maybe things are changing, but sometimes, its really hard to tell.I was elated to see that iTunes is finally, to a greater extent, VoiceOver-friendly, although it still needs work - i.e. the Music Store, the "Add to Library" dialog, etc. I notice there are still many things in the OS which aren't accessible, and I wish programs like Toast were accessible, as I miss being able to burn CDs, etc, with the freedom, and ease, I had under OS 9.2.2! I did find a program, called "Burn", which appears to be totally accessible, and it gets the basic job done!As to spreadsheets, I wish either Quicken, or Money Dance would be accessible. I also believe there's an app, called Money-Minder, which could be more accessible, too. I also wouldn't mind an accessible HTML editor, FTP client, Sound-editor, backup utility, etc. Any ideas?Web Hosting: I checked out Go Daddy, and discovered that its not realy friendly to VoiceOver. I tried arrowing through the page, and lots of it gets skipped! I have my own server, and would really like to put my site there - no popup ads to worry about, no monthly fees, etc. Just need an ISP that'll allow setting it up. Don't think the one here does.Well, that's about it. I'm sure I'll think of something else - I always do! Til then, take care!Regardes, RonRon, just want to assure you that voiceover is being taken exremely seriously especially by Apple. Good things are happening. ITunes is becoming usable and taht's just a start. The biggest problem I se is no one has come up with an accessible spreadsheet yet. mariner software is working on making there software Vo compatible but it's slow. I am sure it will happne though. Welcome and enjoy.----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Reedy" <WA9DRO@xxxxxxxxx> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 6:17 PM Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: Introduction Hi Ron, Good to meet you. Check out the links, guides and such on www.icanworkthisthing.com under, MAC with Voiceover. As you may know, Itunes works quite well with the new Itunes upgrade.Your new website sounds like fun, sounds like you have some good choices for names.I have been a MAC with Voiceover user for nearly 2 years and I haven't used Windows in a long time. Every week it seems there is something new that will work with Voiceover. I have found no limitations by switching to the MAC. If you are looking for something special, sing out and lets see if we can findit.Lots of friendly folks on this list who know a good deal about Voiceover. So remember, you are welcome here.Keith Reedy On Mar 30, 2007, at 5:59 PM, Ronald Johnson wrote: Hi fellow listers! This is Ron Johnson, writing from the little town of Salem, SD.I'm currently running an iMac G5, (purchased the day Tiger was released - April 29th, 2005), and, for the most-part, have been enjoying using it, OS X, and VoiceOver!I think Apple did a wonderful job, for a first-run screen reader, but compared to the others out there, VoiceOver is still quite lacking. My hope is, that Apple will make substantive changes to VoiceOver, over the years. I know this has been a big concern of blind Windows users, contemplating switching to Macs. They're worried that Apple doesn't have the commitment to continue developing VoiceOver. My concern is that, plus that not enough developers are taking VoiceOver seriously (i.e. Apple with iTunes, Roxio wwith Toast, etc).I've been working, on and off, over the last couple of years, on a website, dedicated entirely to VoiceOver, and the VoiceOver community. Haven't decided what to formally call it. Tentatively, I'm calling it VC-Talk - VoiceOver-Community Talk, but I wasn't sure if I should use that, or pick something different. Also, haven't decided on whether, or not, the site should be a '.com', '.org', '.net', or '.info', but I'm leaning toward the latter. The primary objective of this site will be to list all the known accessible applications, allow users to submit info on new apps they've found, and provide all VoiceOver-related resources, & links. The site also has an "Acknowledgements" page, where I'd like to list all persons/groups, who contributed to the development of VoiceOver - Developers, persons who participated in the Spoken Interface Preview, and the like. My biggest problem, right now, is not being able to host the site on my own server, a Blueberry, 333 MHz iMac G3. I have all the CGI scripts I need, plus a web, mail & FTP server - just no way, at this time, to access it from the outside world!I should get back to working on it, find a place to host it, etc, as I feel that it would be a valuable resource to all of us VoiceOver users, and to those PC users, wishing to make the switch to a Mac. Any suggestions for a name, or a Mac-friendly, preferably free hosting provider, etc, would be greatly appreciated! Also, I'm always on the lookout for any VoiceOver- compliant applications, that I don't already know about.Thank you for taking the time to read this message, and I look forward to participating in the discussions on this list, and contributing, what I can, to helping others get the most out of VoiceOver, and their Macs! I'm sure, along the way, I'll learn a thing, or three! LOL :-)Take care! Ron J. Ron Johnson | AKA Ganahee"For millions of years, mankind lived, just like the animals. Then something happened, which unleashed the power of our imagination - we learned to talk."From the MD "The Division Bell", the track "Keep Talking". Click on the link below to go to our homepage. http://www.icanworkthisthing.com Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceoverUsers can subscribe to this list by sending email to macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceoverClick on the link below to go to our homepage. http://www.icanworkthisthing.com Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceoverUsers can subscribe to this list by sending email to macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceoverClick on the link below to go to our homepage. http://www.icanworkthisthing.com Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceoverUsers can subscribe to this list by sending email to macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceoverRon Johnson | AKA Ganahee"For millions of years, mankind lived, just like the animals. Then something happened, which unleashed the power of our imagination - we learned to talk."From the MD "The Division Bell", the track "Keep Talking".Ron, just want to assure you that voiceover is being taken exremely seriously especially by Apple. Good things are happening. ITunes is becoming usable and taht's just a start. The biggest problem I se is no one has come up with an accessible spreadsheet yet. mariner software is working on making there software Vo compatible but it's slow. I am sure it will happne though. Welcome and enjoy.----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Reedy" <WA9DRO@xxxxxxxxx> To: <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 6:17 PM Subject: [macvoiceover] Re: IntroductionHi Ron, Good to meet you. Check out the links, guides and such on www.icanworkthisthing.com under, MAC with Voiceover. As you may know, Itunes works quite well with the new Itunes upgrade.Your new website sounds like fun, sounds like you have some good choices for names.I have been a MAC with Voiceover user for nearly 2 years and I haven't used Windows in a long time. Every week it seems there is something new that will work with Voiceover. I have found no limitations by switching to the MAC. If you are looking for something special, sing out and lets see if we can findit.Lots of friendly folks on this list who know a good deal about Voiceover. So remember, you are welcome here.Keith Reedy On Mar 30, 2007, at 5:59 PM, Ronald Johnson wrote:Hi fellow listers! This is Ron Johnson, writing from the little town of Salem, SD.I'm currently running an iMac G5, (purchased the day Tiger was released - April 29th, 2005), and, for the most-part, have been enjoying using it, OS X, and VoiceOver!I think Apple did a wonderful job, for a first-run screen reader, but compared to the others out there, VoiceOver is still quite lacking. My hope is, that Apple will make substantive changes to VoiceOver, over the years. I know this has been a big concern of blind Windows users, contemplating switching to Macs. They're worried that Apple doesn't have the commitment to continue developing VoiceOver. My concern is that, plus that not enough developers are taking VoiceOver seriously (i.e. Apple with iTunes, Roxio wwith Toast, etc).I've been working, on and off, over the last couple of years, on a website, dedicated entirely to VoiceOver, and the VoiceOver community. Haven't decided what to formally call it. Tentatively, I'm calling it VC-Talk - VoiceOver-Community Talk, but I wasn't sure if I should use that, or pick something different. Also, haven't decided on whether, or not, the site should be a '.com', '.org', '.net', or '.info', but I'm leaning toward the latter. The primary objective of this site will be to list all the known accessible applications, allow users to submit info on new apps they've found, and provide all VoiceOver-related resources, & links. The site also has an "Acknowledgements" page, where I'd like to list all persons/groups, who contributed to the development of VoiceOver - Developers, persons who participated in the Spoken Interface Preview, and the like. My biggest problem, right now, is not being able to host the site on my own server, a Blueberry, 333 MHz iMac G3. I have all the CGI scripts I need, plus a web, mail & FTP server - just no way, at this time, to access it from the outside world!I should get back to working on it, find a place to host it, etc, as I feel that it would be a valuable resource to all of us VoiceOver users, and to those PC users, wishing to make the switch to a Mac. Any suggestions for a name, or a Mac-friendly, preferably free hosting provider, etc, would be greatly appreciated! Also, I'm always on the lookout for any VoiceOver- compliant applications, that I don't already know about.Thank you for taking the time to read this message, and I look forward to participating in the discussions on this list, and contributing, what I can, to helping others get the most out of VoiceOver, and their Macs! I'm sure, along the way, I'll learn a thing, or three! LOL :-)Take care! Ron J. Ron Johnson | AKA Ganahee"For millions of years, mankind lived, just like the animals. Then something happened, which unleashed the power of our imagination - we learned to talk."From the MD "The Division Bell", the track "Keep Talking".Click on the link below to go to our homepage. http://www.icanworkthisthing.com Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceoverUsers can subscribe to this list by sending email to macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceoverClick on the link below to go to our homepage. http://www.icanworkthisthing.com Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceoverUsers can subscribe to this list by sending email to macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceoverClick on the link below to go to our homepage. http://www.icanworkthisthing.com Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceoverUsers can subscribe to this list by sending email to macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceoverClick on the link below to go to our homepage. http://www.icanworkthisthing.com Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceoverUsers can subscribe to this list by sending email to macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
Click on the link below to go to our homepage. http://www.icanworkthisthing.com Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceoverUsers can subscribe to this list by sending email to macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover
